Tri-Delt wasn't really a struggling chapter at Miami, unless things have fallen off in the 3 years since I was a student. They were never a "top tier" chapter, but I sincerely doubt that it had anything to do with the decision to pull the chapter.

I don't know if you saw this thread, but it kind of goes to what I'm talking about.

You can only change an image if the women WANT it to change and act accordingly. If a chapter likes being known as the quiet sorority, no amount of consultants, programming or PR is going to convince the campus that they are social butterflies. Ditto if the chapter likes being known as the cokehead sorority.

I'm going to step in and ask respectfully that the conversation refrain from discussing what may or may not have been EO's reasoning behind their decision. The fact is, none of will truly know what their motive was and us playing Monday morning quarterback is not helpful and can potentially spread negative rumors.

ITA!^^

This should be done out of respect for any organization. (enough said)

"Never" is a strong word. Tri Delt was one of the top chapters in the late 70s and early 80s. There is a shift every year on "tiers", and with so many chapters, it's very subjective.

As for the comment on the Zeta recolonization....
I spent one semester at Miami over 25 years ago (the longest 4 months of my life). Since then, Zeta recolonized twice, Phi Mu once, KD once, ASA once (and gone), and AEPhi once. There may be more, but those are the only chapters that I can recall. There are also chapters that have left the campus for good.

Miami is a very strong Greek campus, and even though there are no houses, chapters will try very hard to bring it back strong. Tri Delta has such a strong history and I think the administration is over-reacting to the event. Sure they broke the rules, but what chapters doesn't?

If the Enquirer article I read was correct, medical attention was needed for excessive alcohol consumption. In that case, a two year suspension does not seem like an over-reaction. No one's risk management policies can afford to ignore that situation. The scenario is every advisor's nightmare.

I hope they are able to come back strong in 2011.

originally posted by benzgirl: As for the comment on the Zeta recolonization....
I spent one semester at Miami over 25 years ago (the longest 4 months of my life). Since then, Zeta recolonized twice, Phi Mu once, KD once, ASA once (and gone), and AEPhi once. There may be more, but those are the only chapters that I can recall. There are also chapters that have left the campus for good.

the point you were making is?

I hate when newspapers say that medical attention was "needed." Sure, out of concern for safety, medical attention was sought. That doesn't necessarily mean that these girls wouldn't have been fine the next day (except for a nasty hangover).

It's my worry that releasing these sorts of details and making it seem to be a factor that medical attention was sought and utilized results in many cases of individuals refusing to take someone to the emergency room where medical attention is crucial because they're afraid of the consequences of seeking medical attention.

These sorts of details need to stay between the kid getting medical attention and the facility where they receive it.

I don't know whether this was a big factor here or even a factor at all. I'm just saying that --in general--, this sort of wording troubles me.

I'm perfectly aware of tier shifts, as I spent four years at Miami (the BEST four years of my life). You're missing the point I'm making, which is that in no way was Tri-Delt the "lowest ranking" chapter on campus. A previous poster implied that the chapter was pulled more for its reputation, and I'm saying there's no way a national organization is going to pull a 98-year-old chapter because it doesn't have the hottest members on campus. The only thing wrong with Tri-Delt's reputation is they were certainly known as party girls.

I know you didn't like Miami -- that's fine. But the vast majority of other chapters at Miami don't act this way. I can say definitively that my chapter never behaved like this, and I have friends in every single chapter, most of who were shocked to hear what the Tri-Delt chapter had done. I don't think the administration overreacted in the slightest.

Let's remember it was not the entire chapter, but a handful of members who ruined something for the entire chapter.

As an alum of Miami University, the recruitment rules would allow the pledges to go through recruitment again next winter (2010). I'm assuming they were still pledges and had not yet been initiated. I am pretty confident that if this happened prior to initiation, Miami would allow them to go through recruitment again next year.

They were definitely still pledging and not initiated. The chapter is closed, so their pledge is broken. They can accept bids today if they are offered to them. That's an NPC rule and has nothing to do with what Miami would allow.

I know for a fact, that if they were pledging Tri-Delt, they could NOT accept a bid today if it were offered. Because they accepted a bid (doesn't matter where), they have to wait a calendar year to go through the process again. It's the same thing as if I had pledged XYZ for two weeks, decided it wasn't for me and dropped out. The next day I could NOT accept a bid to ABC. I would have to wait a year until next recruitment before I could receive another bid. That's an NPC rule.

For more information see the NPC website, but this came directly from there, "A woman who has had her pledge broken by an NPC fraternity, or who has broken her pledge to an NPC fraternity, may not be asked to join another NPC fraternity on that campus for one calendar year from the date she was originally pledged. However, she may be repledged by the same NPC fraternity chapter at any time within that calendar year. (6)"

They have to wait a year.

actually. ..

from the Green book ...

III. The Panhellenic Compact
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8) Women who have been pledged but not yet initiated into a chapter whose charter has been rescinded or relinquished or of a colony that has been dissolved shall be eligible to pledge another NPC fraternity immediately following the official release by the NPC fraternity

So, per this clause, they should be eligible to be pledged immediately .. .the problem, though, is that most of the NPC groups at Miami took quota and are over total so do not have any spots open to offer.

No, it's really not the same thing at all, actually.

Agree.

I think that Tri-Delta took the correct action, but what a shame for the new pledges and all of the sisters. My heart goes out to them.

i'm very much in line with everyone else about not spreading "rumors" that are unsubstantiated, but at the same time, nothing is MORE embarrassing to me both as a student and a sister than when clear facts, and reasoning are not both brought to light AND discussed. i can honestly say, i would be less ashamed to announce what happened at another chapter of my sorority than i would be to announce that we had hidden things from other students, administration, media, parents, etc. i am MEMBER of tri delta in a different chapter at a university that is literally 3 hours from miami, and even have 2 sisters that transferred and live in the house FROM miami, and it was news to me to see "tridelta" listed on that hazing form. the point is, we all have SO much to gain from openly discussing what happened, and how it affects ALL of us as a greek community. it is, after all, what the forum is for, as an opportunity to learn from each other. these hazing incidents should be EXPLICITELY discussed, not bashed, but discussed as it is a truly sobering (no pun intended!) thing to hear about.

I know this is a late response but...

A good friend of mine at our church was a Tri-Delt from Miami U. She is really really angry and can't believe this happened. She stated that hazing was never tolerated or even something they considered when she was a member in the early '90's. This is a very sad situation as the Alumnae are hurt as well. According to her this really screws up the 100 Anniversary Celebration she hoped to be a part of.

:eek: I'm in a chapter with a 'beta' in it! (but we're coming up on our 100th year so I'm not too worried)

I think the curse applied to Beta singular chapters. :)

Are there any updates on whether they can/will return for this year's recruitment?

As far as I'm aware, HQ hasn't released any official word.

I am on the advisors board for ADPi at Miami. We were informed last fall by Greek Affairs Office that Tri-Delta had opted to NOT return. Such a shame because now they miss their 100th.

Oh you're KIDDING! That's horrible. :(

I respect the HQ for sticking to their guns. They clearly mean business and they're not going to have more embarrassment coming from this campus. They want a clean slate.
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Not to return ever, or not to return right now? They might have other things on their plate that have NOTHING to do with this chapter in particular, that might make it difficult for them to give this chapter the support it needs.

Again, since (reminder) this is a national sorority with multiple chapters, they might have things going on that have NOTHING to do with Miami.

What's that saying - that how people act towards you has more to do with them than with you? I just don't like people saying, in effect, that Tri Delta made this decision because Miami is the most evil place ever.

This chapter had a spotless record for 98 years with their HQ. Just saying is all.

As far as I know, nothing has been announced from the Tri Delta EO. Until something is publicly said, I would consider everything else speculation.