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TriDeltaSallie 02-09-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gee_ess (Post 1777048)
I think what Trideltsallie is saying (and I tend to agree) is that she would like to see less reactionary responses from the women online. When a young, immature, hurting pnm starts spouting off, take the high road.
Don't belittle yourself or your organization by getting into a pissing match with someone who you know doesn't know better and won't listen. No one wins. And you only hurt your organization. We aren't anonymous...

just my 2cents

and

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna (Post 1777373)
There aren't any, because that wasn't in my message. I said that there are constant threads where GC members mention how wrong it is for NPC members to make superficial cuts, start rumors about other chapters, for PNMs to act like chapters are beneath them, etc. Essentially, being "mean girls". I am saying that the only differences between those women that nearly all GC members (including me!) are criticizing, and the select GC posters that post constant rude posts to everybody on this site, are purely situational. The attitude, however, is definitely the same exclusive, rude just to be rude, pretentious and insecure "mean girl" phenomenon. And the excuses, "Just deal with it" are the same that both parties would make. Once again, I don't necessarily think this is an unfair or difficult point to make.

And before somebody tells me to just leave GC, they are missing the point because 95% of the women here make very enjoyable posts, many without "sugarcoating" or "blowing sunshine up somebodies ass" (which I think is also wrong). And before somebody misconstrues my post as ludicrous, I think that most of the population understands what I am trying to say, so at this point I'm just starting to assume that people don't want to understand what I am saying.

Thank you. :)

ASTalumna06 02-09-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1777378)
However, I feel like if a PNM is going to dish out rudeness, I can do that too.

Yes, I’ve noticed a few snarky comments from your end as of late. I only notice because other people will point it out. I haven’t been on this site too long, but I know that for you to be “rude” is rare.

Need advice? Ask KSUviolet06. She’ll be as nice as possible until she just can’t take your crap anymore.

:)

APhiAnna 02-09-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1777378)
Not to toot my own horn, but I'd like to think I've mastered the art of being honest with PNMs without being an outright bitch to them.

However, I feel like if a PNM is going to dish out rudeness, I can do that too.

Toot away, I agree with you completely. I think you are very fair. And if a PNM is rude, then I understand it's natural for most to strike back. But I feel that the women I'm talking about will find any opportunity to act rude, many times not even to PNMs or Helicopter Moms.

FSUZeta 02-09-2009 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=KSUViolet06;1777378][COLOR="Magenta"]Not to toot my own horn, but I'd like to think I've mastered the art of being honest with PNMs without being an outright bitch to them.




you are one of the best!:)

KSUViolet06 02-09-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1777383)
Yes, I’ve noticed a few snarky comments from your end as of late. I only notice because other people will point it out. I haven’t been on this site too long, but I know that for you to be “rude” is rare.

Need advice? Ask KSUviolet06. She’ll be as nice as possible until she just can’t take your crap anymore.

:)

To be honest, I've been around this site for awhile, and I find that 99% of the ladies on GC are the same way. If you ask in a non-rude manner, you'll get a non-rude response.

ASTalumna06 02-09-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1777391)
To be honest, I've been around this site for awhile, and I find that 99% of the ladies on GC are the same way. If you ask in a non-rude manner, you'll get a non-rude response.

Precisely.

I think that's why I'm confused by this entire thread.

If PNMs ask questions that have been asked before, people will direct them toward the search function, or they’ll actually list threads for them to look over. If the questions start becoming ridiculous, and the PNM doesn’t want to listen/becomes angry or rude, then it is in almost everyone’s nature to be rude back.

Don’t ask for the advice if you can’t handle the truth.

agzg 02-09-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1777383)
Need advice? Ask KSUviolet06. She’ll be as nice as possible until she just can’t take your crap anymore.

:)

This is a perfect quote for a signature. And so true!

Thetagirl218 02-09-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1777393)
Precisely.

I think that's why I'm confused by this entire thread.

If PNMs ask questions that have been asked before, people will direct them toward the search function, or they’ll actually list threads for them to look over. If the questions start becoming ridiculous, and the PNM doesn’t want to listen/becomes angry or rude, then it is in almost everyone’s nature to be rude back.

Don’t ask for the advice if you can’t handle the truth.

Exactly! Ditto that!

TriDeltaSallie 02-09-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1777393)
If the questions start becoming ridiculous, and the PNM doesn’t want to listen/becomes angry or rude, then it is in almost everyone’s nature to be rude back.

And that is my point. I realize it is human nature to be rude when provoked. I'm asking people to live out their sorority's values and rise above that for the sake of everyone involved.

Despite what some people might think, it DOES reflect poorly on your sorority if you are rude here. There are many non-Greeks who lurk here and they will form opinions about groups based on the women who represent them here. And even if you don't post with your letters, all of the women here represent the Greek system as a whole.

If a PNM annoys you here, just walk away and let someone else answer her. And if no one else answers, she''ll get the message that the conversation is over.

preciousjeni 02-09-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie (Post 1777458)
And that is my point. I realize it is human nature to be rude when provoked. I'm asking people to live out their sorority's values and rise above that for the sake of everyone involved.

Despite what some people might think, it DOES reflect poorly on your sorority if you are rude here. There are many non-Greeks who lurk here and they will form opinions about groups based on the women who represent them here. And even if you don't post with your letters, all of the women here represent the Greek system as a whole.

If a PNM annoys you here, just walk away and let someone else answer her. And if no one else answers, she''ll get the message that the conversation is over.

Oh moi gawd. :rolleyes: Let it go.

epchick 02-09-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1777473)
Oh moi gawd. :rolleyes: Let it go.

EXACTLY!!! I don't know why people post threads like this, it isn't going to change the minds of the GCers they are talking about.


oh yeah, and if you ignore a PNM, they won't "get the message," they'll post every 5 seconds saying "OMG someone answer me, you all are sooo rude" or they'll post another thread on the exact same topic. Trust, it's happened before.

Unregistered- 02-09-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1777475)
EXACTLY!!! I don't know why people post threads like this, it isn't going to change the minds of the GCers they are talking about.

Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result = INSANITY.

preciousjeni 02-09-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1777479)
Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result = INSANITY.

So what are you saying? OMG, you are so mean.

Unregistered- 02-09-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1777483)
So what are you saying? OMG, you are so mean.

I know. I suppose now everybody will look down on not only my sorority, but women, Filipinos, Hawaiians, and those with long brown highlighted hair too. :rolleyes:

Thetagirl218 02-09-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie (Post 1777458)
Despite what some people might think, it DOES reflect poorly on your sorority if you are rude here. There are many non-Greeks who lurk here and they will form opinions about groups based on the women who represent them here. And even if you don't post with your letters, all of the women here represent the Greek system as a whole.

I don't understand this.....we here on GC try our best to help all non-Greeks with our answers...but like many we do get annoyed when they just don't get the point and won't stop. I don't know how many times you can tell someone that you cannot and will not divulge something private like membership selection information....

Also we tell all the young women who post on here to not think or consider stereotypes, but go into recruitment with an open mind...

AOII Angel 02-09-2009 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1777494)
I know. I suppose now everybody will look down on not only my sorority, but women, Filipinos, Hawaiians, and those with long brown highlighted hair too. :rolleyes:

Damn those women with long brown highlighted hair! I'm safe since I have short blonde highlighted hair!

BetteDavisEyes 02-09-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie (Post 1777458)
And that is my point. I realize it is human nature to be rude when provoked. I'm asking people to live out their sorority's values and rise above that for the sake of everyone involved.

Despite what some people might think, it DOES reflect poorly on your sorority if you are rude here. There are many non-Greeks who lurk here and they will form opinions about groups based on the women who represent them here. And even if you don't post with your letters, all of the women here represent the Greek system as a whole.

If a PNM annoys you here, just walk away and let someone else answer her. And if no one else answers, she''ll get the message that the conversation is over.


At this point, people answered your original question and you can't let it go that people are being honest in their responses to you. How much longer do you think this thread can stay open before people get rude to you for asking the same thing over and over again? Your original question has been answered repeatedly by members. Let it go. Get over it.

FYI, the responses so far have not been rude. Keep asking people to play nice or keep telling us that we're reflecting poorly on our organizations and you'll become the next GC case of Internet flounce.

agzg 02-09-2009 10:12 PM

http://talkinblues.net/wordpress/wp-...12/flounce.jpg

I just wanted to use that picture. That's all.

BetteDavisEyes 02-09-2009 10:19 PM

This thread will be complete with the insertion of a lolcat.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ics/thread.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...cktrialcat.jpg

kddani 02-09-2009 11:09 PM

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TriDeltaSallie 02-09-2009 11:09 PM

Wow. The maturity displayed and ability to actually stick to the topic at hand rather than resorting to personal attack is breathtaking.

But that was the point and several of you have proved in spades.

Thanks for making my night! :)

nittanyalum 02-09-2009 11:52 PM

Suggested new thread title:

Why don't GCers that have been on here long enough know better than to start high-and-mighty-sounding threads "disciplining" fellow GCers?

epchick 02-09-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1777597)
Suggested new thread title:

Why don't GCers that have been on here long enough know better than to start high-and-mighty-sounding threads "disciplining" fellow GCers?

or Waaaaaaahhh, why don't the meanie GCers care what I think????

UGAalum94 02-10-2009 12:02 AM

Or why can't some GCers show deference occasionally to fellow members who'd like to show a little kindness?

This cycle could be broken more than one way, assuming that anyone wants it broken.

preciousjeni 02-10-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1777605)
Or why can't some GCers show deference occasionally to fellow members who'd like to show a little kindness?

Is it really kindness? Or is it enabling people to whine?

DrPhil 02-10-2009 12:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqNmi02F-UQ

UGAalum94 02-10-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1777609)
Is it really kindness? Or is it enabling people to whine?

While it may go too far sometimes, I think it usually starts as appropriate sympathy for what was probably hard on the pnm or the mom or whoever. And honestly, if you're talking about someone who really needs correction or to buck up, getting in an internet fight probably isn't going to do it. Ignoring her would probably be the best way to go in terms of not giving whiners what they want.

Sure, it can be entertaining, but after a while it just looks like a never ending cycle of trollish first post, reasonably sympathetic first responses, then bitchfest. And it probably does reflect on NPCs to those who come here looking for real information, few as they may be.

epchick 02-10-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1777615)
While it may go too far sometimes, I think it usually starts as appropriate sympathy for what was probably hard on the pnm or the mom or whoever. And honestly, if you're talking about someone who really needs correction or to buck up, getting in an internet fight probably isn't going to do it. Ignoring her would probably be the best way to go in terms of not giving whiners what they want.

That is true...but honestly, how many times have people ignored newbies (I don't wanna say PNM, cause they aren't always PNMs) and they just don't get the hint, so then they post their question in 50 million threads, even bumping old ones so that they can post their question? How does that make the situation better? It just ticks more people off.

I don't go out looking to pick fights with people, in fact I try to stay out of most (although it doesn't always work), but many times there is no way to come out looking like sunshine and roses no matter what route you use.

tri deezy 02-10-2009 12:49 AM

Why do so many threads turn so bad? There's an internet clique on here that gets way out of hand. The whole "flounce" and "troll" thing is more lame than actually "flouncing." Some members also think that they know how much time every member has spent on GC and if they're lying about having "lurked" or changed their user name.... Who the hell cares and what difference does it make? It takes about 30 minutes to soak up the dos and don'ts of GC, so if this forum is the only place where you have seniority or authority, you've got bigger problems than people "flouncing" during an online argument. I agree with TriDeltaSallie. If someone is bugging the shit out of you, don't post!

APhiAnna 02-10-2009 12:51 AM

This is by no means the only way to deal with even the most trollish PNMs and Helicopter Moms...women like KSUViolet do a perfect job of dishing out kindness but, when needed, will tell a woman she is out of line or she needs to step down.

Let's call it like it really is. What some people are doing is reveling in the fact that they can be bitchy. I think that's ludicrous. I am a current collegian and I am amazed by the immaturity, rudeness and blatant insecurity of some posters, many of whom (as far as I understand) are long past their collegiate days. What really irks me is that you are either a) not this way in real life and have some newfound status kick on this website or you are b) this way in real life, in which case I do not even want to think about how your relationships with people fare.

Honestly I know this will not change anything. I know you have way more fun being rude than you would be being classy, tactful and helpful. I am just putting my opinion out there because I don't want somebody to ever think I would condone this type of thing. If that's high and mighty, so be it.

agzg 02-10-2009 12:51 AM

I seriously just wanted to use that picture. I love that picture.

tri deezy 02-10-2009 12:54 AM

I agree that it's a funny picture. I laughed to myself. I'm going to look up the etymology of the word flounce. It's a pet peeve of mine on here.

preciousjeni 02-10-2009 12:56 AM

So, then, do like someone said previously and close the thread when the answer has been given. Better yet, don't even talk to the PNMs. Just post links to threads they should have found themselves through a simple search.

Or we could make a game of it, counting how many times the same answer can be given through different wordings. Ah, but this one is my favorite...when an appropriate answer is given, everyone who comes in after that can just copy and paste the same answer so everyone gets a word in (even if it is the same word).

And, DrPhil, that video scared me. :(

tri deezy 02-10-2009 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna (Post 1777646)
Let's call it like it really is. What some people are doing is reveling in the fact that they can be bitchy. I think that's ludicrous. I am a current collegian and I am amazed by the immaturity, rudeness and blatant insecurity of some posters, many of whom (as far as I understand) are long past their collegiate days. What really irks me is that you are either a) not this way in real life and have some newfound status kick on this website or you are b) this way in real life, in which case I do not even want to think about how your relationships with people fare.

Honestly I know this will not change anything. I know you have way more fun being rude than you would be being classy, tactful and helpful. I am just putting my opinion out there because I don't want somebody to ever think I would condone this type of thing. If that's high and mighty, so be it.


Love you, APhiAnna. Exactly how I would have liked to have worded it.

DrPhil 02-10-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tri deezy (Post 1777645)
If someone is bugging the shit out of you, don't post!

But...you...posted...instead...of...just...ignorin g people and so did TriDeltaSallie.

The reality is that everyone's a hypocrite when it suits them. Some are just nicer about it than others, just like TriDeltaSallie was nicer about her high horse than you were.

preciousjeni 02-10-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tri deezy (Post 1777651)
I'm going to look up the etymology of the word flounce.

Could you also look up "nettled"?

agzg 02-10-2009 01:01 AM

Ultimately, I just think it's pointless to address the behavior of posters on GC. You're going to draw people here who are going to be bitchy because you called them bitchy. If there's a mean girls' clique, I have yet to encounter it. I doubt posters sit around through PM and come up with a plan of action to terrorize GC or PNMs.

Most serious questions are answered in a serious tone.

Any threads about why certain people are mean to certain other people is going to result in a shitstorm. Just like posts in otherwise serious threads saying "OMG you guys are so mean" eggs people on to be mean.

Also, posts that are obviously jokes (because who would honestly think that we just throw darts at dartboards to choose members) are taken either seriously or people are offended by it. Why? It's pointless. Really.

If you don't like the way people post, don't egg them on by calling them mean girls or bitchy. If they're really bitchy, they know it. Just keep it moving.

tri deezy 02-10-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1777654)
But...you...posted...instead...of...just...ignorin g people and so did TriDeltaSallie.

The reality is that everyone's a hypocrite when it suits them. Some are just nicer about it than others, just like TriDeltaSallie was nicer about her high horse than you were.

No, I'm not posting on this thread because I'm annoyed. I like this thread. I usually agree with TriDeltaSallie, and I was glad she wrote this after that last PMN thread. Putting in my two cents when it's not attacking someone in particular isn't what we're talking about.

epchick 02-10-2009 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna (Post 1777646)
Honestly I know this will not change anything.

Exactly, it's not (i'm just being honest, i'm not trying to be rude). I honestly don't understand the point of these type of topics. Most people here have been on GC long enough to see how certain posters act/react, so why is it always a surprise? And you can't really say it's not a surprise b/c if it wasn't, then these type of threads wouldn't exist.

But whether people mean it or not, these threads go from what should be a decent discussion to a "oh i'm better than you" tirade. It's pointless.

ETA: I have to TOTALLY agree with agzg's last statement!

DrPhil 02-10-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna (Post 1777646)
Let's call it like it really is. What some people are doing is reveling in the fact that they can be bitchy. I think that's ludicrous. I am a current collegian and I am amazed by the immaturity, rudeness and blatant insecurity of some posters, many of whom (as far as I understand) are long past their collegiate days. What really irks me is that you are either a) not this way in real life and have some newfound status kick on this website or you are b) this way in real life, in which case I do not even want to think about how your relationships with people fare.

Don't forget about c) you shouldn't care how these posters are in real life. The hypocrisy of your post is overwhelming.


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