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epchick 01-26-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SigKapSweetie (Post 1770872)
I agree that they should have held down their score.

This is what I don't understand. How do you hold down a score against a team that scored ZERO points? That means the Covenant team would have to just run around the court, not shooting anything (cause God forbid a shot makes another point) until time runs out. That isn't fair to the Cambridge team.

Again I say, more of the responsibility should have been placed on the DA team coach (even the school).

ETA: I know this is a private school, but I still agree with the coach speaking out. Why should he apologize for doing nothing wrong? He coached his team to play better, and they did. Is it the Covenant coach's fault that the DA team played horribly? No, he has no control over that.

DaemonSeid 01-26-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1770876)
The word around here is that the leaders of the school felt that the coach was being insubordinate. Insubordination is one offense that can get you fired (or nonrenewed contract) or transfered in a public school. In a private school, it would apparently be an automatic firing.

To you and KSig....it turned into a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation from the looks of it.

SWTXBelle 01-26-2009 08:02 PM

Why does an academic school have an athletic program?

Ask, and you will be told that the practices, the games, and the competition build character. That said, which team showed the type of character those parents are paying their hard-earned money for? The losing team's coach wasn't going to call the game - from everything I've read, he and his team were determined to finish the game. The gracious, sportsmanlike thing to do would be to play but don't press, or give the other team the opportunity to call it a game at half-time. IMHO, the coach deserved to be fired because while he won the game, he did so in a manner that was not in keeping with the school's fundamental principles. He compounded the problem by his behavior after it hit the press.

There are enough cut-throat private schools out there that I'm sure he'll have a new job in no time.

KappaKittyCat 01-26-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1770934)
The gracious, sportsmanlike thing to do would be to play but don't press

According to the quotes from the girls on the website, they did stop the press and switch up their defense strategy after the 1st quarter.

SWTXBelle 01-26-2009 08:09 PM

Then I stand corrected on that point. Thanks, KKC.

MysticCat 01-27-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VAgirl18 (Post 1770869)
The game never should have reached the score that it did. I feel like his comments in there about the blowout that his team previously experienced made it seem as though he was doing a favor to Dallas Academy. Also, I think the guy is a cocky prick for posting quotes that players have made about him. Defending yourself is one thing -- boasting about yourself is another.

Like some others, I really didn't read the coach's comments the way you did, but I appreciate your perspective as a coach on this.

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1770901)
ETA: I know this is a private school, but I still agree with the coach speaking out. Why should he apologize for doing nothing wrong? He coached his team to play better, and they did. Is it the Covenant coach's fault that the DA team played horribly? No, he has no control over that.

He clearly thinks he did nothing wrong. Others, including his bosses, disagree. He made the choice to speak out, and that choice seems to have cost him his job. Can't say I'm surprised.

MysticCat 01-28-2009 11:30 AM

Bumping to post a link. I often read a website called GetReligion.com, which looks at how the press covers (sometimes well, often clumsily) stories dealing with religion. Picking up on the angle of this story where the Covenant School board said that the win "clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," GetReligion.com has this article that some might find interesting (if for no other reason than because of the various other stories linked): What does “Christ-like approach” mean?

BTW, one of the stories to which a link is provided is this one at ESPN.com. I found this bit in it interesting: "Jeremy Civello, who coaches the boys' and girls' basketball teams at Dallas Academy and is the athletic director, told The News that Covenant players continued to press his overmatched team at midcourt through the second half after building a 59-0 lead by intermission." Seems to disagree with what the (former) Covenant coach said.

ASTalumna06 01-28-2009 01:21 PM

1.) If I played for the winning team, I'd feel bad, but I wouldn't feel the need to apologize for it. I'm good, you're not, that's life. People don't claim that college football teams aren't "Christ-like" when they beat another team 56-7.

2.) If I played for the losing team, I would hope and pray that SOMEONE (I don't care who), but SOMEONE would stop the game so that I might be able to walk off the court with a little dignity. Once you're down 59-0, who would even still want to be there? Especially if the other team is easing up on you. How embarrassing.

3.) If I played for the winning team, then yes, I would want my opinion heard, and I would be furious that I, along with the rest of my team, was looked down upon because of how we played. Especially when judging by the score, we clearly eased up at the end of the game.

4.) If I played for the losing team, I would feel guilty that the other team's coach was fired because of the game... whether it was because of how he coached it, or how he objected to apologizing. He shouldn't have to apologize for building a team back up from numerous losing seasons. And he shouldn't get fired for it.

5.) But at the same time... If I was the coach, I might have issued a statement concerning the outcome of the game and/or explaining myself, but I don't know that I'd object to the apology. I also wouldn't come right out and say that I was sorry, but I'd talk about the game, what strategy we used, what we did to ease up on the other team, etc. Because I think that him basically saying flat out that he wasn't sorry is what really got him fired.


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