They're going to be disappointed when they learn that we don't beat our pledges.

Anymore?

LOL jk jk

I told you not to tell. ;)

We are prepared to shut down all chapters
 

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That's good to hear. Why didn't y'all go the proper route to begin with?

US & Canada only
 

One possible reason is that the National By-laws of Delta Upsilon (at least in their current form) only allow colonies in the US and Canada.
http://www.deltau.org/files/constitution&bylaws.pdf Article III, section 8: Establishment of a Colony.

The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of Directors present at a meeting of the Board, may
establish and organize a local group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada as a
Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors, by a vote of the majority of the Directors present at a meeting of
the Board, may recognize a petitioning group at any college or university in the United States of America or Canada
seeking to affiliate as a Colony of the Fraternity. The Board of Directors shall appoint a committee to organize the
Colony. The organizing committee shall have authority to pledge Associate Members and to establish the initial
organizational requirements for the Colony.

Also, the following section involving chartering of an undergraduate chapters also is limited to US & Canada, so simply jumping to chapter, as would be done in the event of a Merger is out as well.

So unless the board make them a separate national organization (like APO & ASPhi do), they have to change the National by-laws as well...

The USA/Canada limitation isn't on the "Colonization Criteria" page on DU's website (http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=22), but I *really* don't count that as much of a justification...

Randy

Eh, I don't buy it. My sorority has international interests who knew well enough to contact us before they did anything.

Exactly. I have a REALLY hard time understanding this in general.

How did these groups consider themselves part of these IFC fraternities if they aren't official chapters?

I mean, who initiated them? Did they initiate themselves? Maybe it's the pain meds, but I am really not getting this.

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The general pattern as I've seen is that these groups in the Philippines wanted to imitate North American GLOs due to the history and prestige all of our organizations as a whole command, so they did some research (frequently just online) and picked some existing GLO to copy. They took on that group's name, symbols, and history and have gone about parading themselves as an extension of the original GLO. Some have contacted the headquarters of the original GLO regarding expansion, and on rare occasions have applied for extension, but other than the couple of exceptions mentioned in this thread, none of them have ever been given formal recognition by the original GLO.

All of those groups are nothing more than perps "playing Greek." What's worse is their attitude towards hazing is wholly inconsistent with the purposes GLOs were originally created to serve. In the case of the Philippine group currently applying to DU, they obtained DU's non-secret Ritual online and initiated themselves. No member of DU as it's known in North America participated in their initiation, nor was it sanctioned by DU's IHQ.

These groups have completely missed the point that you don't take something first, then ask if you can share it. You have to ask first, then wait for it to be offered to you. To just take any GLO's identity without going through the proper procedure to show that you truly understand, appreciate, and deserve the bonds that identity brings is to demonstrate a complete lack of respect for and comprehension of what it means to be Greek.

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I'm afraid you've misunderstood our complaint. I can accept that fraternities may have been introduced to Filipinos between 1890 and 1910. What we're having trouble with is understanding how you go from being acquainted with a fraternity to immorally stealing the identity of an organization and then asking if you can be part of it.

I'll give you an analogy. It's like if a man living in America went around claiming to be your brother-in-law. Then, when you found out he had been lying about being married to your sister, he came to your family and asked if he could marry her. It's completely backward.

Exactly.

DU is nonsecret and publishes their entire ritual book on their IHQ website.

Wow http://www.deltau.org/default.aspx?a...t&ContentId=91

They probably have a private ritual, too, or something. :)

Not that I've heard at all. The only thing that I've heard of that the Philippines group has had trouble getting hold of is the brotherhood pins.

Randy

It was mention in my previous posting
 

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Stealers
 

Putting aside the situation with Delta Upsilon for a moment...

Of the groups that you mentioned (and others),

The Philippine groups which appear to me to be unquestionably stealers are Phi Beta Kappa of the Philippines (lawsuit from Phi Beta Kappa-USA in progress) and Sigma Alpha Epsilon of the Philippines (multitudinous evidence given by SAEalumnus here as well as other things I've found).

Alpha Phi Omega never stole. Even when relations were most cold after the sitaution with Ferdie Tabtab, APO-Phil still had the full permission to use all symbols and rituals.

Alpha Sigma Phi, there were issues at the beginning, I don't have a good feeling for when between the formation of the first group in the Philippines in 1959 and the formation of the International Council in 1984 that Alpha Sigma Phi of the Philippines gained the rights to use the symbols from the North American Groups.

(As far as I can tell if things do work out with DU-Int'l, that Delta Upsilon would be most similar to Alpha Sigma Phi of the ones here.)

I have *no* idea on the official relationship between Demolay of the Philippines with Demolay in the USA. I'll call the USA HQ today to ask.

Pan Xenia, the information that I've found indicates that, yes it was founded in the USA, but that all of the USA chapters (U of Washington, U of Oregon and U of Illinois) went under during or just after World War II and there does appear to be a legitimate link from there to the Philippines chapters.

This is as opposed to Fox Theta Delta which claims to have been founded in East Lancing[sic], Michigan in 1901 that even the Archivist at Michigan State can find no trace of.

Sigma Nu is also iffy, while it is quite clear that the USA National Fraternity does not recognize them, what is unclear is whether the group in the Philippines is claiming to be part of them.

And there are duplication of letters that appear to be completely innocent. To pick two from the Wikipedia page: Omega Phi Delta where the USA group is younger (1990 vs. 2006) and Sigma Xi (Xians in the Philippines) (Scientific Honorary in the USA)

If you have additional examples of groups with these sorts of ties, I'll be happy to research them. (I'm a volunteer on both Alpha Phi Omega(-USA)'s History and Archives Committee and Alpha Phi Omega(-USA)'s International Relations Cmte, and I also am responsible for most of the references on the Wikipedia pages so I've done this research before. :) )

I called the USA HQ to ask and was told that they had a separate National Council and as such wasn't under Demolay-USA but that the National Organization there was recognized as such by Demolay USA. Doesn't sound quite as attached as Alpha Phi Omega or Alpha Sigma Phi, but no problem there.

Randy

Are you saying that alumni from Delta Upsilon in America helped you establish your first chapter??

Why not close all the chapters first and then ask the fraternity if they will set up chapters in your country?

So, you haven't been using Delta Upsilon's ritual or obtaining Delta Upsilon membership pins?

I have visited [deleted].

???? try too hard for what???

i am sorry but i'm kinda lost of what are your trying to say???? "helloooo???"

same with APHIO... LOL

STOP POSTING.