:rolleyes:

I think you know I meant saint. And, no. You're not.


As if you never make any typos. lol smh

Irony is my bread and butter
 

While not a saint, I make very few typos.:):) If I were to make one, I would expect some GCer to make fun of me.

As to whether we are saints or not, you don't know us, so by your own prior statement you are not in a position to make a judgment about us. Again, whether or not we are perfect has no bearing on what we are posting about here. Glass houses and all . . . if you had to be perfect to have an opinion this would be a dead network.

Oh - and if I'm going to post a really snarky statement about everyone here, I'm going to run spell check so I don't look like an idiot. :rolleyes:

Smilie time! :eek: :D :( :) :o

To get us back on topic - what is your opinion of the incidents you witnessed? Were the people justified?

Exactly what I was trying to say.

If I posted a snarky comment... it was justified, and it was in response to other snarky comments.

Not to mention the fact that it takes more than a typo to make someone look like an idiot. Nice try though.

As for my comment about people not being saints, I can indeed say that with authority. No one in the world is a saint. However, no one on here can say what someone else does realize or does not realize. Her comment was OOL.

As for whether they were justified... in a way I feel they were. No, I dont advocate violence, but I think when you go through a great deal to wear those letters (and we do) it is beyond annoying to see someone else wearing them who does not deserve to do so. It's an insult. Plain and simple. As I said previously, I will call them out, but I won't put my hands on them.

The issue is our International HQ of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. has instructed our membership as to appropriate use of our symbols, badges and crest, including mottos, etc. So it is important at least from my Sorority's stance that as members we comply to the International goals. Our documentary items are trademarked and our vendors have to pay licensing fees to sell appropriate items.

I also think that some members think that items can be sold anywhere, either by donation bags, or by eBay... As far as clothing, SOME items I would really care about--like seeing my linesisters' jackets--especially these days. But, if I saw an old man wearing one of my hats, I really would care less.

And I have seen all kinds of people wearing my Sorority's paraphernalia with the trademark insignias knowing they are definitely not members--in fact, they look homeless... And what do I do... Walk on by... What can you do? Let it go...

Because really, my Sorority's ideals, concepts and victory's heights are in my heart and I stand as an Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. regardless of where I am... So, Good! If an old homeless transgendered man wears my stuff, maybe it's my service to the community... LOL...

The other issue is that there have been cases of young women who have NEVER undergone a membership process that somehow get all the paraphernalia of YFGLO, and start sporting the gear--thinking that makes them a member.

There are suppose to be "stopgaps" in place, but nothing is "failsafe"... It would be one thing if they came to all the community service activities and an occasional parties--it's another like what I have seen splayed across the internet at all the parties and say on behalf of my Sorority...

I do not know how to handle that lunacy. Good thing that's a young person's game and I am well beyond that, that hunting down for it...

:)

So very true!;)

eta - It can be a nice start, though.

Not really because it's entirely too prevalent on here from what I have seen. Waste of time and pointless.:p

And you question why I thought that you didn't realize how it makes Greeks look, and why others thought you supported it? You even said you DON'T support that. You may not advocate violence, but if you think it's justified, then you are supporting the action.

You maybe could have gotten away with saying you didn't support it until you put your foot in your mouth like that.

You're an idiot for contradicting yourself like that.

I think there is confusion and I will do my best to clear it up.
They were justified in FEELING the way they did about it. Notice in the next sentence I said I don't advocate violence. :rolleyes: There is no contradiction. I think my statements have made it quite clear that I don't support anything that involves you putting your hands on someone.

And is it necessary to call someone an idiot? That actually reflects poorly on you, not on me.

Apparently, I was a bit misunderstood. (and I'm never going to live this down, I realize). A guy wearing NPC letters, like everyone has said, isn't going to be confused as a perp. At some campuses, including southern ones, I know sororities give away event shirts/koozies/bright neon hats that just have the letters on them. Now, generally we just wear them to the event, but it doesn't bother me to see something that obviously isn't a misrepresentation of self or a deliberate misrepresentation of that organization's values.

My problem was very specifically with someone not in the sorority who acted as a member of the sorority.

Do fathers really wear hats with their daughter's sorority name on them? Doesn't seem like something men would do.

The guy was probably homeless and had no idea the GLO was a sorority, and therefore I would've kept my mouth shut. We all know that no one aside from members are supposed to wear our letters, but I'm pretty sure most of our founders cared about us making positive contributions to humanity, and if a hat with my org's letters is helping keep a homeless man's head warm in winter, I believe our founders would be pleased.

And, that still changes nothing in my opinion. The fact that you forgot your proper raising and messed with someone else's property over letters still appalls me.

I doubt that any NPC sorority would ADVOCATE the forceful removal of letters by ripping them off of a car.

Even if the girl was acting like she's in your sorority, does it make you any better for lowering yourself to her level?

So I'm so tired, and there's so many sugar sweetie honey southern pie nicknames I attributed this action to a similar user name.

Oh and I still think it is super tacky to destroy or alter someone's property.

IMO, vandalizing/defacing someone else's property isn't even at the same level as pretending to be in an sorority. You can't be fined or go to jail for being a perp.

That is SO true.

lol :D

Something tells me that if he'd been homeless and appeared so, Scandia would have included that detail in her post. I am guessing it was a dad who was on his way out and just grabbed the first hat on the kitchen table. He probably wasn't even aware what he had on.

Going back to southern whatever food product it was taking the letters off the car - I have yet to hear, what exactly did she do? Did she take a straightedge and scrape them off a window, or were they a cling half falling off and she just finished the job?

Why? Especially when it's just some random guy.

First of all, as has been said, there could be any number of reasons this guy was wearing this hat. If he really was trying to be viewed as a “fraternity” member, then it’s sad, because almost anyone who is Greek would be able to tell otherwise. And it would be laughable if he was saying things to try and pass himself off as such.

On the other hand, he could have just bought the hat without knowing what it even meant. These are Greek letters. Surprisingly enough, some people, when seeing these letters, don’t think about fraternities and sororities… because Greek organizations use letters from the Greek alphabet, which was created long before “our letters” were put together in the order that they were.

Also, maybe this guy is a past sweetheart of a chapter. You never know.

The point is, you got mad and immediately made assumptions about this guy, knowing absolutely nothing about him. And then you sounded as if you were justifying the behavior of ripping a hat off of someone’s head if they were wearing Greek letters that they didn’t “earn”. None of us claimed we were saints. And I can’t speak for everyone here, but while I’m not perfect, I also know that to forcibly remove an article of clothing from someone else’s body is wrong. For me to even think of doing that because of something I conjured up in my own head about how awful this “perp” is, clearly wouldn't be the right thing to do. And if you say in a public forum that you would support someone’s decision to do just that, or to at least feel that way based on a ridiculous and unfounded conclusion, you’re going to get all kinds of snarky comments. To think otherwise is a display of ignorance.

Good etiquette means not correcting the behavior of others.

I think you just made Miss Manners very happy.

Big Brothers
 

I believe they are now passe', but we had big brothers - the Moonlighters - and they would wear our letters at events. No one, to the best of my knowledge, was ever confused. :rolleyes: They mainly coached us for intermurals,and moved the heavy stuff during rush.

We had something BETTER than big brothers. We had HOUSEBOYS. Yum. They were guys who liked hanging out with us/dated/married some of us. Their sole purpose was to serve us at formal dinners every week. They also were expected to show for dinner and lunch to "assist" us with our dining needs. Additional duties included changing light bulbs, helping the house mother, etc.

I ADORED the houseboys. I still keep in touch with all of them.

The guys who worked in our kitchen are called hashers, same sort of set up.

You got it, baby!

and word to PeppyGPhiB, who said it beautifully:

Well guess what- I saw the gentleman wearing it today again.

He came to the reference desk asking for directions to a place. He barely spoke English- so we switched to my native language. Due to his accent, I could tell that he was not originally from the USA- this is probably relevant.

I asked him about his hat- if he had a daughter or friend in the GLO. He said the hat had been given to him. He seemed very confused when I asked him about the letters. I told him that they belonged to a sorority called "Upsilon Upsilon" (not its real name, of course). Transaction went well and he was always very polite- but I could tell that he had been given the hat as a clothing donation.

wow, you care WAAAY too much.

I remember the Moonlighters!!! They were awesome :) And absolute gentlemen...

Seriously. Scandia, mind your own business. Calling him out on it is embarrassing. You bother to post a thread asking an etiquette question then ignore the responses you received. You then fly against even the most basic etiquette and call him out on it.

I asked in a very polite way after we had talked for a while. I did not criticize him at all for it- just asked about it and told him what it stood for. He was very pleased with all the info I gave him.

I bet you that he didn't care two flying rat's asses what the letters stood for. Seriously LET IT GO!

Maybe he just had gas.

I know you probably don't realize this... BUT... You just may have embarrassed him for no good reason.

Are you just an idiot or a bitch? Because, you had a WHOLE thread of people telling you to LET IT GO. But, did you? NO. Scandia, you HAD to "inform" him of his hat's significance. If you knew he spoke Spanish as a first language, that due to his accent he was most likely NOT even originally from here, AND that it WAS most likely a DONATION -- why did you continue to bother him about it?

Did you think it would make the world better to inform him of his faux pas?

What is it you tried to accomplish? Because, all you really did was to (probably) make him self-conscious of wearing a hat that before had just been a hat. Now, he'll know that every time he wears it, someone may see the letters and confront him.

I SWEAR you have no fucking sense.

She has one... Remember the cosplay/doll thing she does... She just needs a life.

I hope the guy didn't walk away thinking, "Gee, great, now I'm wearing a hat with the name of some girl's club on it."

Tippie, my compass points to you!