I think Matty was stupid to tell someone in his former alliance that he gave Ace his word not to vote against him. Why don't you just announce to everyone that you've flipped?

^^^ I agree.

I couldn't tell if Sugar was trying to be clever by telling Kenny that she had given Ace the idol, or if she was being stupid. Turned out not to matter, but I never could tell what was going through her mind.

And if I could make just one more rule for Survivor, it would be to ban swearing on other people's lives. "I swear on my son's life," "I swear on my girlfriends' life," I swear on my grandmother's life." :rolleyes::rolleyes: Enough already.

^^ Ha, yes. That would be splendid. I'm sorry, I would not swear on anyone's life. This is Survivor. How about, "I swear to lie to you every chance I get so that I can win what I came here for... a million dollars."

Well, that was interesting last night. Two eliminations in one night - thanks, producers, for helping to minimize the predictability.

I'm surprised Sugar actually voted off Ace. I can't believe Crystal is still in this game.

And poor Dan. That guy is a mess. I'd much rather see him progress than that jerk, Randy.

I got so tickled at Bob. The way he lost it when he got the letters was so sweet. I guess I didn't realize until last night's episode that Bob was as disliked by his tribe as he is. That's a shame - I'd like to see him win. (Which, unfortunately for Bob, is a death wish. I've never had the chance to pull for my favorite for the duration of the show.)

Ahh! My DVR decided not to record the show last night (even though it was set to record the series, it decided to be stupid).

Can I have a brief synopsis, please??

Reward challenge was dominated by Kota, who easily won the reward. They got on a helicopter and rode to a gorgeous location, had a picnic with all kinds of food (meats, cheeses, alcohol, the whole nine yards). While there, Kota members got letters from home. Bob lost it.

Kota sent Sugar to Exile Island (of course). She met back up with them at the immunity challenge. Back at Fang camp, Crystal dropped some rice and offered not to eat any since she was at fault.

The immunity challenge was for indivual immunity, because both tribes had to go to tribal council. Marcus (from Kota) and Sugar (from Fang) both won immunity. Fang was a mess - Ace asked Sugar for the hidden idol; she refused to give it to him. Crystal was pouting because she wanted people to tell her it was ok for her to eat rice. Kenny talked with Sugar and convinced her to vote off Ace. Matty and Ace voted Crystal, and Ace went home after Kenny, Sugar and Crystal voted for him.

Kota camp was crazy, too. Dan wanted everyone's approval so badly that he essentially cut off his own foot. Susie told Corine that she was going to write down Corine's name. That pissed Corine off. But, in the end, it was still Dan who got the boot.

Sorry - that wasn't brief at all!

Haha, no that was good.

And the Fang tribe needs a merge soon. Otherwise, they're all going to be gone. I understand they wanted Ace to leave, but they're kicking off the strongest members. There won't be any of them left, and they won't get to eat!

At least there was a little variety in the voting.

The double Tribal Council last night put them at 10 people left so I think the merge will be next week.

I'm proud of Sugar. I felt like Ace was manipulating the crap out of her. I'm glad she's thinking for herself. It surprised me that Marcus gave Sugar immunity. Is there some reason that tribe likes Sugar that I've missed? They send her to Exile Island every time (giving her opportunity to get the idol) and then he chose her for immunity when he got to pick someone from Fang. I feel like I missed something there.

Whoa. I missed that. Marcus gave immunity to Sugar? I thought they each won immunity. :confused:

My guess is, keep sending Sugar to Exile, as she probably has the idol already, so why bother sending someone else. If she keeps getting the comfort, no one else will, and no one else will eat.

Also, they probably figure that if she has the idol, she can always use it. So why not just give her immunity anyway. Plus, look at the team. They have more original Fang members on the Fang tribe, and more original Kotas on Kota. The original Kota wants to keep as many of them around as possible. Their only two options were Sugar and Ace, and no one seems to like Ace. Therefore, give immunity to Sugar and get rid of everyone else.

Nope. Sugar, Marcus and Ace were all still on the log. Sugar fell off leaving Ace and Marcus. Marcus beat Ace and won immunity. Then Jeff pulled out the second immunity necklace and asked Marcus to choose someone to give it to from the Fang tribe. Seemed like the "politically correct" thing to do would be to give it to Ace, who had lasted longest on the log roll from his tribe, but he gave it to Sugar.

They definitely need to merge soon. (Looks like it might be this week.) But they were right to vote Ace off. The whole keep-the-strong-so-that-we-can-win-challenges strategy clearly wasn't getting them anywhere. I was with Jeff P -- finally someone at Fang was thinking strategically.

And the look on Matty's face when Ace was voted off was absolutely priceless. An interesting discussion will be had back at camp.

Haha. True. I think Ace screwed himself over by trying to tell Sugar what to do with the idol. She eventually saw through his game.

I agree on both parts. I'd love to see the discussion between Matty and Crystal/Kenny. Hopefully the producers will show that on Thursday.

Based on her strategery (thanks, Will Ferrell!), Sugar is now my #2 pick for the million (Bob's still #1).

After last night, Bob might be screwed.

I knew that there had to be a catch when I saw that box sitting on the table during their “merge” dinner. I saw that coming. But I think a merge is still probably coming very soon. If not in the next episode, then the one after.

I LOVED that they turned it around and voted out Marcus. He was one of their stronger players, but who cares?

First, he thought he was hot s^$% for getting everyone to throw the immunity idol into the ocean. Then he was attempting to get Crystal and Suzie to turn on Ken and then turn against each other. Him “liking Crystal” was ridiculous.

The funny thing about this season (and I kind of like it) is the fact that it’s not all of the physically strong people making it to the end. It’s Survivor, but it doesn’t specify how you have to survive. These people are obviously thinking strategically. And last night, the game definitely changed.

Oh, and I CAN’T WAIT to see Randy’s face when he sees the new Kota tribe without Marcus. He’s becoming such an a-hole.

I assume the face of horror we saw from Corinne in the preview for next week was Corinne's realization that Marcus is gone.

Good for Susie -- I really didn't think she'd do it, but she did. Sure, he was a strong player, but the merge is indeed coming soon, and after the merge, him being a strong player is an advantage only to those allied with him. Good for Crystal for seeing through him and seeing a bigger picture and good for Susie not believing him.

And yeah, unless the merge happens before Bob finds himself at a tribal council again, I'd say he's toast. Then, after the merge, Susie, Crystal and Kenny could align with Sugar and Matty and, low and behold, they have a majority.

ETA: Here is an interesting interview with Marcus at Reality News Online.

^^ Wow. He's really trying to make himself sound good. He's mad because he was outplayed. And we didn't see him a whole lot on the show, but from what I saw, he looked cocky as hell. "I just made everyone throw the idol into the ocean"... no you didn't. Anyone could have grabbed that thing off the table, but they didn't want to look selfish. It only made sense to get rid of it.

And now he's bitching and whining, saying that Crystal voting him out "hurts my relationships outside the game." Damn. It's a game! Crystal knew you were playing everyone, she caught you, you got kicked off. Are you not going to be friends with your buddy from home because his cousin beat you in a race for $1 million? He was attempting to do the same thing.

And Ken takes advantage of people through their compassion?? wow.

And mad props to Susie for sticking around as long as she has.

I agree with all of that, BUT, I have to say that Crystal is a HUGE disappointment to me as not only a physical player, but as a person. Maybe it's just the edit, but her whineyness, crying, talking crud about others, etc, when she has done nothing to further herself other than ride coattails - when she was portrayed at the outset as an "olympic champion" is driving me crazy. UGGH!! She hasn't even come close to winning ONE challenge. To keep portraying her as some kind of physical threat is a joke!! At least Marcus had it right last night when he told Susie that keeping Crystal was no threat because she was so weak at challenges.

Susie is delusional if she thinks there is some way to fenagle herself into top 3, she isn't high enough in any concievable alliance to do so.

If the other tribe goes to tribal, either Matty or Sugar will go and if there is a merge, the #s will be equal, then the true gamesmanship will start.

BTW, I hate Randy - he is a jerk!

^^^ Co-sign on everything. I have to say, though, she was the deal-maker last night.

I agree about Crystal. I've never been thrilled with her. And she gives up extremely fast at challenges. But the fact is, when you're cocky, it usually comes back to bite you, and that's what happened to Marcus, and it was sooooooooo sweet to watch :p

I think Susie has now worked her way into the alliance with Crystal and Kenny, which will bode well for them in terms of the numbers game. The two of them, plus Matty and Sugar, need her. Simple as that. But even if it ends up being the 5 of them at the end, she'll probably be the first to go. There's no way she's making it to the final 3 no matter how you look at it.

The only thing Matty and Sugar can count on now is the immunity idol. Fortunately for them, this week's immunity challenge didn't require a team effort, because I don't think their team cared much about winning.

I've been wondering. When Corinne and the other old Kotas see that Marcus has gone, they'll know that Susie turned on them. They'll also know that Bob has a big ol' target on his back. That will leave Corinne and Charlie and Randy from the old Kota and Corinne and Charlie from the onion alliance. Assuming there is one more tribal council, I think if I were them, I might be looking now at drawing Sugar or Matty into their alliance, especially if Bob is the next to leave. Otherwise, they'll be picked off next.

Sugar might be willing, since she's now distrustful of Kenny. Matty might be willing, since he too was blindsided last week and has issues with Crystal. (And at least he's decided he won't swear on his girlfriend's life anymore. :rolleyes:)

They should be guessing that Sugar has the idol -- I haven't decided yet how I think that should play in to their stategy. I can see it both ways.

I can also see the next immunity challenge being interesting: I can see the onion alliance trying to throw it to save Bob from another tribal council, and I can see Crystal, Kenny and Susie trying to throw it to get Bob to another tribal council. If anybody can throw a challenge convincingly, it should be Crystal, Kenny and Susie.

^^ Good points.

If they lose Bob, they're screwed, and Matty and Sugar would be dumb to team up with the other three.

And I tend to think that if Kota loses another challenge (and they probably will) it won't have to be on purpose. And even if they did want it to happen, it would definitely be believable.

I hope next week everyone just lies down and sees who can be the worst at a challenge, as the alliances in the majority on each team would probably like to lose :rolleyes:

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see someone try to throw the challenge. Last night, being an individual immunity type challenge, did not lend itself to getting thrown - and kudos to Matty (and Bob, who would have thought the old coot had it in him) for lasting as long as he did. He was fighting for his life and he knew it. BUT, if next week's challenge is a team event, he might be a goner.

With Sugar holding the idol, the 3 can't do the old split the vote thing because if they voted 2 for Sugar and 1 for Matty and Sugar and Matty voted together, Sugar could play the idol and whoever she and Matty vote for will get the boot. They will have to vote as a bloc for Matty and hope Sugar doesn't "lend" him the idol. That would certainly flip things!!

I don't think Matty particularly cares for Crystal (who would for heaven's sake), so when the merge comes, he may flip on his own anyway just to get away from the Crystal/Kenny/Susie/Sugar alliance. Although, it would behoove him to stay in it because from a physical standpoint, he can whip all their asses, and when it comes down to a jury vote, he would probably win because he hasn't been snakey (yet) and he has played with an incredible amount of heart, he's just been stuck on the sucky team every mix-up.

Did anyone see the pics of the idol floating in the water?


That idol is going to come back into play. Either someone is going to go back and get the idol(I would) or the idol is going to wash up on shore and someone will find it.

Yeah, last night was interesting. I'm not too disappointed to see Marcus go (surprised that Susie actually went through with it, though). I just hope Bob finds a way to stick around.

I was surprised that Jeff didn't say anything about the idol getting set out to sea. I guess he already knew and just didn't think it was worth mentioning? (Disclaimer: I was watching the Hokie/Terrapin football game and missed some things, so maybe he did say something after all.)

He's been stuck on the sucky team but I think that's worked to his advantage. He's the good guy who's strong and doesn't cause any problems. Even if his team loses, he knows his name isn't going on the ballots.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I don't remember him mentioning it. Which again, makes me think that it's going to come back into the game.

I was thinking that too because they made a point to show it floating along the water.

I dont think there will be much luck in Sugar hooking up with Kenny and Crystal... and I don't think suzie will be quick to stick with them either... It really depends if there will be another cast off before the merge, but I think The Onion clan could easily take in matty and sugar in Marcus and maybe Bobs place...

Any predictions for who’s getting tossed tonight?

As long as the tribes stay intact before tonight’s tribal council, I’m guessing it'll be Corinne.

I WOULD guess Randy, but that might just be wishful thinking. :rolleyes:

You have to give it to Bob, that is the best fake idol ever...

Yep - good strategy, and the idol is believable.

MERGE.:eek:

Please, please, let Randy go.

eta - and Crystal. Can they both get booted? Please?

I am going to throw this out there at the risk of criticism... I love this season... It was SOO clear in the beginning for TOO many weeks the direction the gay was going, and in the last 4 evictions, that has changed... I don't like Crystal, but the fact that she is still there, with kenny as well as sugar, and marcus ace and charlie are gone... unfreakingbelievable... power to the weaker players!!!

That was AWESOME. Especially because he made it out of whatever he found on Exile. He's kind of amazing.

I just love how Corinne, Charlie and Randy were all mad that Marcus was voted off. They made that perfectly clear at tribal. I wanted someone to say, "The only reason you're mad is because he was in your alliance!" The fact is, he got cocky, he thought he owned the game, he tried to manipulate the other players in his tribe, they caught him, and he got sent home. Susie was a toss up, as she didn't really connect with anyone on Kota, and Marcus should have seen that. He didn't, he got sent home.

Physically, the weaker players are still in the game, but they obviously know how to play it.

Sending Charlie home was pure genius. Just like Marcus, no one saw it coming. It shakes up the other alliance. And Sugar was smart to stay with Matty, et al. because Marcus was already on the jury and she might as well have sent another member from their alliance in. Fact is, she was going to "betray" one alliance no matter what she did, and it might as well have been the one that she's never been too close with.

I think that next week, someone's going to try to suck up to Matty's alliance. Bob might make his way in, but everyone can see right through Corinne and Randy.

Oh, and props to Susie for winning immunity!

Yes, have to give kudos to the weak(er) alliance. They certainly are players. Although I cannot stand Crystal, my dislike of Kenny is growing, he is just becoming more and more like a skinny, bug bitten Marcus! How much gloating and "master minding" will his competitors stand?

I love Bob! That fake idol was amazing! I hope he can use it to his advantage and stay on.

I would love to see Randy, Kenny and Crystal leave in no particular order.

Susie went up in my book by winning the challenge - great fire starter!

I'd like to see Corinne leave before Kenny and Crystal. She said Sugar was dumb and called her a bitch last night. Really? Other than Susie, Sugar is probably one of the nicest people there. And she has managed to see through people without anyone saying anything to her. I think she's extremely smart. And Corinne makes me extremely angry.

I would like to see Sugar get Matty Corrine and Bob together... make an alliance no one would suspect, and they would have the numbers, because Randy and Crystal will not work together, so bam!

That could work.

Because you know that Kenny and Crystal are a package, and Crystal and Randy won't work together. So just get rid of all three of them. Only problem is, having Kenny and Crystal on the jury will be dangerous if they're voted out before Bob and Corinne as these two have NEVER been close with Matty or Sugar.

If I could pick the top three people right now I'd say, hands down... Sugar, Matty, Bob. They're the three most honest people without having to announce their decisions and strategy to the world. They all have something to offer, and personally I think they'd be the most deserving.

Not a Bob fan... he seems like a sweet guy, but I don't know of any game move besides the fake idol (that hasn't come into play yet) that he has made in this game... he is coasting.

I don't feel like I know a whole lot about the original Kota tribe. My only other option for the final three would be Susie, but I don't see her making it that far.