Yeah....quota/total isnt even an issue at this point :( If you were to force that chapter to stick to quota, they would just convince PNMs to drop out of recruitment so they could pick them up as COBs and not be bound to a bid card with other sororities ranked on it....and they would be able to take them all....

That's how the dirty-rushing chapter at my alma mater did it. Or alternately, they told the PNMs to suicide that group, and not to worry about not getting bids during Formal Recruitment - because of the "stupid rules," they "didn't have room for everyone," but would pick up the rest during COB the next week. And they did, every time. And none of the PNMs who they persuaded to drop out of Formal Recruitment or suicide this chapter and then COB would ever rat them out because the next thing you knew they were NMs of that chapter.

Campus total was twice the size of the largest chapter on campus, them. We tried my last year as an active to lower total to make them stop, but it got voted down. So frustrating!

One idea I've always thought might work is limit what they can do for recruitment next year, especially for campuses with "frillier" recruitment. Maybe there's a day when all the chapters do a door stack and the offending chapter will not be allowed to do it. Maybe limit songs in the entrances and exits, or forbid them from wearing letters on campus the week of recruitment. Enough of these things may make a chapter look "lazy" to PNMs. The devil's advocate to this situation is that it may make them want to dirty rush more to overcome these setbacks.

I love what W&L's Panhellenic did. There was one group at my school that had recruitment violations 2 years in a row. Both times, Panhellenic took away their right to do songs or chants during entrances on Skit Night. It was very noticeable and a negative for PNMs. The other chapters were instructed NOT to discuss or answer questions about it from PNMs (we had to respond with "Oh, I don't know" or something, I can't remember exactly what the given response was), but the Rho Chis could explain the situation to the PNMs. Of course this would only work at a school where door chants are a significant thing, but I think it was fairly effective with this group... or maybe not, since they had violations 2 years in a row. hm. Well, anyway, all the other groups were very satisfied with the resolution - I guess we were sadists. LOL. :o

ETA: Ah yeah. What APhiAnna said!

I think removing the songs/stack is a great idea. PNMs will definitely notice this if it's something every other chapter is doing. For campuses that have less frilly rush, maybe limit the amount of sisters who are allowed to table, or limit the advertising for that group.

The problem I see with the suggestion of not allowing the sisters who dirty rushed to participate in a round the next year is that chapters who dirty rush would just have their seniors or girls who were studying abroad do all the dirty rushing since they would be "losing" them the next year anyway...at least that's what I'd do if I was in such a chapter. ;)

Wow. That's different than when I was Rush Chairman way back in the day. If a house was found to be guilty of a serious rush infraction, they were likely to forfeit bids.

I can see both sides of why Panhellenic would not want to continue such a policy.

other possible penalties could be not being able to participate in homecoming or greek week(or something comparable),or loss of social privileges for a specified time.

One of the Kappas at S. Carolina lives in a dorm (she's an RA) and saw 2 flower arrangements being delivered to a PNM from 2 different GLOs! I hope she reported the infraction. Can y'all believe how brazen this was?!? The cards must not have been in envelopes, because she (and anyone else who looked) saw what was written. I think the message was something to the effect of "good luck" from each group, but that is totally inappropriate and unfair.

How sad that they feel like they can't compete with the other GLOs on an even playing field and how sad for their NMs to be tricked into joining.

Oh my god - can I quote you with this in my signature? It totally describes my campus situation.....

Two years(?) ago, a number of our eventual pledges received roses, a bottle of wine, and a celebratory note prior to pref night from one particular house. :rolleyes:

ETA: IIRC, it wasn't the house, per se, but an errant group of overzealous sisters who did this.

StargazerLily, I'm flattered! Quote away! :D

Hard core social probation is the way to get a chapters attention. 1st offense, 1 semester of total social probation. That equals no swaps, mixers, date parties or formals. No event where the sorority is acting as a host. 2nd offense in a reasonable period of time, and entire year of the same. You can't make it cumulative over the sororities life at a campus because it is not fair IMO to punish girls 10yrs down the road. It is 1) embarrassing and noticeable for a chapter to not have any social events during a semester, and 2) imagine how the NM feel when they find out that they are not having any socials because their new sisters broke the rules. It's not so fun when their friends in other orgs are asking guys to date parties and they aren't.

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Your fraternity/sorority advisor should contact your NPC Area Advisor for help. She can help you tailor a solution that will fit the needs of your campus. Find the woman assigned to your campus at www.npcwomen.org

Once you find a solution that fits for your campus please share your ideas with us!

Good luck!
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I agree with Gator.. above. It definitely sounds like your panhellenic council needs some help.
And I know social probation is a HUGE deterrent. No one wants to be the reason their chapter cannot participate in a semester's worth of official activities. And this way, NM's who were successfully dirty-rushed, and did not notify anyone because they liked the group and/or the special attention, bear the consequences as well as their new chapter.
It'd be like, "Well, let's see, for this serious of an infraction, you do not get to participate in Greek Week, and you are only allowed one formal instead of two, and you will be fined the amount that you would have spent on your second formal and Greek Week= $10,000."
I think a lot of us here agree that we've seen consequences of social probation work well in the past; so good luck in your circumstance. And work on getting total lowered!