I'm not blaming the fact of not having recs on being Hispanic. All I'm trying to do is explain my circumstances on why I don't have recs. You may not agree with me, but being Hispanic did put me at a slight disadvantage. I was not aware of sororities until I got to college. Because of that, I didn't prepare properly. Of course the main reason why I don't have recs is because I really didn't know anything about Greek recruitment and I waited too long to get interested. I supposed I should've emphasized that more in my other posts.

Well instead of hemming & hawing on an internet message board about not knowing about sororities until you were a senior in college, maybe you should go out there and get recs if rushing is what you want to do.

I'd be a little more sympathetic if you were an incoming freshman or a transfer, but a 4th year senior that just "didn't care for" the greek system her first 3 years at a competitive greek school.... I dunno, just doesn't sound like a good match.

I'm going to go ahead and say this regardless if no one agrees. Have you looked at other sororities, as in, non-NPC sororities? I say this because as someone who is Hispanic as well, I didn't know about NPC but I did learn about Latina Sororities and NPHC sororities beforehand. Perhaps you would be better suited for a sorority that is not as competitive in the "getting recs" sense.

I'm not by any means saying Latina or NPHC sororities are easy to get into. But, their process is completely different AND being a senior does not affect you in your aim for membership the way it will for NPC recruitment. Whereas NPC ones will cut you due to your class rank off the bat, others will not and this is why I mention perhaps looking into others. If you can handle rejection, go for it. But like others have said, be prepared to be cut and cut hard.

I agree with Nittanyalum's statement. Perhaps you may not be a good 'match' for this type of sorority. I didn't read a reason as to "why" you are going through recruitment.

If her year is that much of a "whirlwind" she won't have time for a service fraternity either.

Texas*princess' experience differs from that of TexasCuties and that's why it's not about Hispanic culture.

TexasCutie clearly stated the dynamics going on where she's from. It's similar to many black communities where graduating from high school is a huge feat--going to college is a God send--going Greek is not thought of or is laughed at as unrealistic. TexasCutie made the mistake of identifying her issue as a Hispanic one but it really is a subcultural issue.

She is really late on the bus with this one, however I don't think non-NPC organizations should be recommended to anyone because many of these organizations are not "last ditch efforts" for those who "want to belong to something." If she really wants to rush NPC, she will struggle to find out how to get the recs and see what she can do to make it happen in her 4th year. If it can't happen, maybe she's not meant to be in an organization at all.

TexasCutie and I grew up in similar sounding cities so the dynamics of the city has NOTHING to do with rushing. I can understand if that was her logic as a freshman, because I went through it as a freshman (not knowing anything...yada yada yada). The fact is that TexasCutie is a 4th year senior, which gave her years to figure out about Greek Life. Even if she didn't know anyone personally who could give her recs, she could have gone to the Greek Life advisor for assistance. Man, I even contacted the Greek Life advisor from the university in the closest city to mine (which happened to be in New Mexico) and got information from them.

I do agree with your last part though.

My point exactly.

I was clarifying for her info why what she experienced isn't about "Hispanic culture" and that I understand what she meant about her frame of reference when she was just getting acclimated at college. I wasn't saying that her experience excused her lack of knowledge as a 4th year. That's why I ended by saying she can figure it out if she really wants to.

ahhhh ok, I missed understood your post.

I am not saying this on the pretense of priciple, but out of reality. Let me preface by saying that I pledged both an NPC and a national service sorority (different schools). I can relate the level of time and effort spent as pretty equal in both sororities. Pledging a service sorority does take a reasonable time of time, work and effort. While the purposes of existance between social and service organizations do differ, and (in my experience) most of the experiences were service-oriented, it's a commitment.

To the OP: Even if your academic year didn't matter, your grades are not great, especially for a senior. If you have a 2.75 without the commitment of pledging, what will your grades look like if you take on something as time consuming as pledging in (ANY sorority)? THAT is the biggest issue I see.

Your campus culture would dictate the chances of a senior, or any PNM wihtout recs getting a bid to an NPC, but your hispanic heritage would factor nearly zero in this situation. The bottom line is you waited too long to get to the gate and didn't prepare. You said that you were interested last year but were too late, so why wouldn't you have done your homework for THIS year?

If you have a compelling story, do share it (if not with us, then at recruitment). Otherwise, remember that if there are only X number of slots compared to the number of girls rushing, most organizations can be as picky as they want. Best of luck whatever you decide.

My point was easy to misunderstand. My fault. LOL.

You're right and I agree. I don't think she should go the non-NPC route as a last ditch effort. However, if she really wants to be in a sorority for all the right reasons, her efforts might prove to be more useful pursuing another route. From what I've read in the DST, AKA and other NPHC forums, there are women who try two, three times because they truly want it and pursue it (and this is even for graduate chapters). The OP does not have that option for NPC recruitment. I don't think she should go the non-NPC route just to get accepted somewhere and be in a sorority.

Sorry if my post re: service fraternities wasn't clear (which it wasn't). I was in both a social sorority and a service fraternity. Both took up a lot of time. The difference *for me* (and I'm sure we all had different experiences) was that my service fraternity was glad to take on seniors, because in spite of the fact that we did form good friendships, when it came to service, help is help is help. In the social sorority, we were happy to take on juniors, but with seniors, we had a bit of hesitance, since the focus was so much on sisterhood...we'd be getting to know her just as she was on her way out! I'm not saying it's logical (after all, senior sisters vote on PNMs who are coming in just as they, the seniors, are leaving), I'm just saying that if she is looking for some sort of fraternal bonding, a service fraternity might be very happy to take her on, regardless of her standing, whereas most social sororities are going to prefer younger members in part because there will be more time to bond.

She would've thought of an NPHC sorority without anyone recommending it. :)

I understand what you're saying with your entire post. However, the NPHC (and some other non-NPC orgs) culture is such that we don't say "oh, too late for NPC...how about you look at NPHC?" :) I wager to say that she probably doesn't have what it takes to pursue an NPHC org at the undergraduate or alumnae levels.