I truly wish I could agree with you 33, but it seems to me that there have been so many years of problems -- and so much adverse media on the subject lately, that the administration(s) of many schools are using these issues as a means to rid themselves of what they perceive as a potential liability and public relations problem.

PC? Maybe. I'm not so sure.

Deaths due to alcohol and hazing (or both combined) certainly haven't helped the problem.

You know, in theory, we all start(ed) college with a perfect academic record. It always seemed like my GPA went down much faster when I got a C, than it went up when I got an A. It's kinda the same problem with the Greek situation on campuses. It takes a really long time to build a good reputation -- and a very short time to ruin one.

And yes, I've certainly talked with my chapters about these problems. And I tell them this. If you're going to party and drink -- do it in moderation, and nobody will have a problem with it. If you're going to have underage brothers drink, simply remember that it's not just against some rule -- it's against the LAW. There's a big difference. And, of course many, if not most, undergraduates will try alcohol. Just remember moderation.

As for hazing, it is our Division Presidents' position that if there is hazing in one of our chapters, and it can be proven, that chapter will be closed. Period. Delt has no sense of humor when it comes to hazing. By the way, in most states hazing is against the law, too.

Is it fair that hazing is also a part of ROTC, the military, athletics, etc. Nope. But there's nothing we can do about that. But we can do what it takes to clean up our own act.

Fraternally,

DeltAlum

Ok, I finally read through everyone's post on this one, wow, I didn't realize that Dartmouth was getting so vicious with the greeks up there. Complete derecognition by 2005 at the latest?? Are you kidding me? Ok, I can understand things getting a little crazy on the campus, but what is going through the heads of the faculty? Coming right out and saying they want the greeks to financially buckle without university support, practically wishing a curse on the same people that go to their classes and pay tuition. That's a pretty ballsy thing to do I think. I'm just glad I didn't go to a backwards conservative close-minded school like that. Never did I think that school would sound so similar to Faber College. I can't wait to see what happens this fall...

RUgreek

Anybody ever seen PCU? That's what Dartmouth is beginning to sound like to me. They don't want to step on anyones toes. Next thing you know they'll be opening up a new building, dedicated to bisexual asian studies. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

Hey, hey! (clap,clap) Ho, ho! (clap,clap) This penis party's got to go! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

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It's catalogued is made of recyled paper and the team mascot is being changed to the whoping crane http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Can you blow me where the pampers is?

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

I LOVED PCU...I was totally afraid that my school was going to be like that...but it's not! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif But, the school upon which the writers of PCU based the movie is Wesleyan University, in Connecticut. But, it reminded me of Dartmouth...except just not as darned cold! Has anyone been to that place?

The school I transferred to was like that. Hippy liberal arts type. No sororities or fraternities allowed there. We had a reputation for going to class in pajamas (that is, if anyone woke up from last night's drinking/illegal substance) party. To be perfectly honest with you, I'm pretty sure we did have a class on minority lesbian and gay culture. I know we had a gay and lesbian studies sub-department under our super multiethnic/racial/ departments. No joke. I am for real.

Check out this description of one of our classes:
76. Gender and Genre. Generic coding allows for the telling and re-telling of narratives which revel in (white, male, heterosexist) society's "hidden" fears, desires and beliefs. But what happens when the demons, seductresses, whores and monsters of such tales re-vision genre for their own ends? We will consider how horror, melodrama and film noir speak to/for/about women. Prerequisite: Media Studies 50 or Pomona Media Studies 51. A. Juhasz. [not offered in 2000-2001]

It's just one of many. Actually, I thought it was pretty cool that we had classes like that. Anyway everyone there was guilty of I-am-superior-to-the-masses intellecutalism. Me too, at times. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

HAHA! That's the kind of stuff I'll be studying when I finally return to (grad) school.. gender and pop culture, w/ an emphasis on film http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Phi Beta Fraternity
Phi chapter

PCU is one of my favorite movies!

Can you blow me where the pampers is? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif That is my favorite line from the movie!

This whole discussion is so weird for me to hear because my school refuses to recognize the frats and sorors. We get no support what-so-ever. I'm not sure if we ever did even tho many of the chapters have been around for a hundred years at my school. This may be an ingorant question (it wouldn't be the first I've asked in this forum), but what exactly does that school do to support the greek system? I mean, other that regulatory controls, do they offer any sort of financial support? What would happen if, as on my campus, the chapters existed, independant of their school. We are technically known as the University of Toronto chapter of Gamma Phi Beta, but technically speaking, we are not. We're Gamma Phi Beta, filled with people who go to University of Toronto.
A strange thing about this (and definately unique to my campus) is that the sororities will only admit girls who go to the university (in spite of the lack of recognition) but many of the frats have different policies, some of whom let in men from the other university in the city, and some even allow in men from the colleges in the area. In fact, the one of the chapters (at least) on our campus is comprised mainly of NON university of Toronto students.
There is a huge amount of debate, every year, as to how we can go about getting the school to recognize the Greeks at our school. We try to point out that all of the 'issues' they have with the system, much if not exactly like those of Dartmouth, would be BETTER dealt with and BETTER monitored if school administration took an active role in ensuring that the university's standards are met by all houses. No dice. Will never happen. Every year we seek recogntion, every year we lobby, and every year we are told no. We won't give up but the fight is futile.
Yes, it is true, as I have said in other posts, that the greek community at U of T is very small compared to the school's poplution (60K thousand students, maybe 600 greeks). And it is possible that these small numbers are refelctive of the lack of administrative backing. Personally, I don't think so. I think that the people at my school are just lame. (they are. believe me). It's hard to know for sure if the school supported us, if those numbers would rise.
Is there a possibility that the houses at Darmouth could survive absent support of the school? If our houses can exist, why can't the houses at Dartmouth continue to exist?

Leslie

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According to a kid i knew from high school in a house at Dartmouth, this resolution has done very little - the big enforcement issue? Kegerators, which have been removed. All the houses he knew of were still recognized nationally, and really he said nothing's changed from before. It looks very much like this was more of a PR move by the school - which to me seems to suck, because much more positive PR work could be done by and for the school via cooperation with the greek organizations . . . but i guess the bottom line is that the Dartmouth situation with greek life hasn't really changed a whole lot from before for the majority of (fairly) well-behaved houses.

If YOU will pardon My ignorance, What is this PC thing you are talking about? I have a campus that is tough for Greeks even though a State U.
All I know if it were not for the Greeks what is Homecomeing, Members of comittees, inturmural sports, an dmany other things that the Greeks do. Each of our Houses have philathropic endevors that we raise money for. My Fraternity raises thousands of tons of food each year, my chapter does a Hot-Tub-A-Thon, and many of the LXA Chapters do a Watermelon Fest to raise $. What is the SX Derby Day or any other Fra/Soro do to raise money for the local charitys. Hell with out the Greeks there is a vast waste land of donations! These Acedamia look at only the bad and not the good! If we did not beleive, we would not be on this site. I Gradusated in 1967 and am still active with my House and my International!!

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Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

What a Hoot!! I was just called by my old school to donate MONEY to Them. I informed them that I am donating money to my Fraterity local to build a New House and to Fund our Educational Fund to give the members money so they can affor to go there. I hope I talked this new Frosh into going Greek as she is an independent and has NO CLUE about the Greek Organizations on Campus!!!

Some one said earlier that the faculty were intellectully etlist. Well at most, if not all, Ivy League schools, one sure way to get in is if your relative went and gave/gives money. This means that the same type of people and their family will be there forever. Maybe since because greeks give more satisticly speaking as alumni/alumnae they are using the greek system as a scape goat, because they want new people to be there. Just a thought...