Yeah, I guess they just skip the interview part at W&L colonizing recruitments if they're doing full-on formal recruitment with the other groups? Or maybe one of the nights will sort of BE an interview night? I have no clue. Sorry I'm not more help.

Do you know which chapter(s) is/are coming in to help? Our chapter always felt warm and fuzzy about the William & Mary Pi Phi chapter b/c they recruited our colonizing class and our house mother was an alum of that chapter. :)

I don't know at this time. There's just been the random "are there any alumnae interested in helping out?" statement. We haven't a chapter at W&M, so they won't be there. Maybe UVA?

I think each group just chooses whatever group they think would be most skilled at recruitment in an admittedly somewhat awkward situation. I know that some of the groups that presented in 2005 mentioned UVA & V-Tech. One even mentioned flying a chapter in from Texas. (:eek:!!!!!!!)

According to a Kappa alum with a UVa ADPi D, at least some of the girls from that chapter will be helping with the W&L colonization. UVa is always on break when W&L's recruitment occurs and then UVa's recruitment is almost immediately following so not all actives will be in the area.

A lot of members from our George Washington University chapter will be helping out - they were pushing hard for help at District III's DLC so probably a lot of the D3 chapters like Va. Tech, UVA, etc. will be there. I will likely be there for a lot of the W&L colonization.

Knowing the girls I know who went to top houses there...

Recruitment is tough.

Could you please expand more on "the colonizing group had a quota of 70 and everybody else divided what was left"? This type of colonizing (i.e. during formal) is fascinating.

Specifically, how does the whole preference party thing work? For sake of discussion, say the numbers are the same. Does Alpha Delta Pi turn in their "first bid list" with 70 names while the other five chapters turn in their "first bid list" with 20? Is there a "second bid list" etc.?

Directed to anyone...

Not to get into membership selection, but in a full-on formal recruitment, if there isn't an interview (by whom ever the expansion team sends etc.), then *generally speaking*, how does it work? Does the recruitment mirror the other chapters? I can understand how philanthropy night would be easy to convey. But say for example, if it is "skit night" or "spirit night". Do the undergraduate girls (i.e.the ones from other chapters) and/or alumnae perform a skit? I'm not trying to be silly, but I am curious as to how it might work since the concept of NPC formal recruitment is to put all the chapters on some sort of equal footing.

And do the undergrads from the other colleges get a say in member selection?

Thanks for the indulgence.

Thanks for the questions TSteven. Right now you're getting to the point where it's pushing my knowledge of past recruitments at W&L. OK.

In 1991, a NPC group attempted to colonize at Washington and Lee and failed. They conducted their colonization efforts AFTER formal recruitment. There were just not enough women that didn't go Greek in formal recruitment to support a strong colony. So in 1992, when Pi Beta Phi (my chapter, by the way) colonized, they held recruitment the way I've mentioned - with a quota of 70 (total at W&L) for Pi Phi and everyone else dividing what was left among the other three groups according to normal quota assignment formulas. This procedure was again used in 1997 with Kappa Delta. I was guessing around 20 for the other groups' quota because:

W&L's 2008 quota = 37 (I think)
37 x 5 = 185 women pledged (technically there were more than this because some groups got quota plus, but for the sake of simplicity)
185 - 70 = 115, approximately the number left after taking out a colonizing class
115 / 5 = 23, my conjectural 2009 quota for the "original" 5 groups

As far as bid lists go, that would be correct. ADPi would turn in their first bid list with 70 names. The other groups' first bid lists would have 23, or whatever the quota turns out to be in reality.

It's also possible ADPi could take average chapter size rather than total of 70. Average chapter size is going to be a significantly higher number than 70, but at the same time, taking that many wouldn't leave many members left over for the other groups.

As far as membership selection, I am much less qualified to answer that question. I do know (as stated before in this thread I think) that Pi Phi and KD both used a combination of alums, national officers, and actives from other schools to conduct their colonizing recruitments. I know that the William & Mary Pi Phi chapter was the one who came for my chapter's recruitment (don't know about KD). As far as ADPi goes it looks like a combination of different Virginia chapters, maybe led by GWU, will be participating.

I agree with you that certain nights would be easier than others. Philanthropy night should be easy. Sisterhood night should also be fairly easy - it's basically a sisterhood video so a national expansion video could probably be used, or the national office could make something new. Skit night... might be harder. I guess they'd get the collegiates to do a skit?

It's also possible that the colonizing groups do other activities that don't necessarily line up with the "official" theme for the night. I am sure W&L Panhel would give them a lot of leeway on this. I also don't think it would really hurt them in recruitment because the PNMs would understand the need for the difference. Quite honestly, though, I just don't know enough about what happened with Pi Phi and KD to speak to this, and of course ADPi could always do its own thing.

As far as membership selection... frankly, without formal interviews (and I don't see how formally interviewing EVERYONE would be possible in this setting), I don't see how they couldn't use the other collegiates' feedback in membership selection to some extent. By the very nature of the beast, the collegiates are probably going to outnumber alums, I would think. I just don't see how a small group of alums or national officers could legitimately meet all the PNMs during this type of recruitment. But again, I don't have any specific knowledge of how that worked in Pi Phi or KD's colonization.

I could, I suppose, email some of our founding members to find out. I know a few...

Here's something I wondered about...

If there is going to be a significant contingent of women who are only interested in being in the colony (upperclassmen, ADPi quintuple legacies, what have you), won't it kind of suck for the girls in the other sororities to have to (un-PC here) waste time being nice to them?

Or is it a moot point since they'll get cut on the first night?

LOL. This question makes me laugh.

I would guess that a lot of upperclass women are going to register with the sole purpose of joining ADPi. At W&L, there's always a handful of sophomores that rush but usually no juniors or seniors. I think some juniors and seniors will probably rush with the intention of going ADPi or nothing. The sophomores will probably be open to ADPi but also looking at the other groups (frankly, a lot will depend if they didn't receive a bid period their first year, if they didn't like the bid options they got, or if they just didn't make grades freshman year).

Quite honestly though, I don't think that will be significant contingent of upperclass women going through recruitment. There are usually like MAYBE 10 sophomores going through. Max. So maybe, possibly, like 30-35 upperclassmen total? That would be a huge stretch I think though. I just don't know. And TBH some of the women who really desperately want to join the new group might not still be... the ideal candidates.

I think all the groups at W&L will be nice to the girls. I was always impressed that the "top" group at W&L ran the nicest recruitment and people always had the best experience with them even if they knew from day 1 they would not get a bid there. Also, I was always impressed that girls who knew they wanted to join that group were nearly always (there were a few exceptions) very friendly and open during recruitment, despite the fact that we both knew they didn't want to join my group. LOL. I can't say that for all the groups at W&L, by far.

I would think the juniors & seniors get cut at the established houses pretty quickly. Everyone will know why they are rushing. Sophomores, it's anyone's guess. I've seen people who got rejected at one house one year join it the next because the people in their class are on board with them joining.

I would think there's a lot of ADPi legacies at W&L, but frankly if they're from certain backgrounds they might want to join the top established group over an untested group. Just being brutally honest there. I do think that some people who are less concerned about reputation will want to join ADPi as legacies. Or if their mom is a national officer or something of that sort.

Frankly, I guess my question is how "significant" the contingent of women who are going through recruitment ONLY for ADPi will be. I think most women will probably be looking at established houses as well as ADPi. And again, due to issues surrounding quota, there's a chance that a lot of women who put some other house #1 and ADPi #2 are going to end up in ADPi just because of the numbers game. The competition for the established houses is going to be really intense.

The other thing to consider is that I think one of the #1 factors affecting recruitment at W&L is friend groups. So you make all these friends on your hall first semester freshman year, and the girls all want to join a house together. I've seen this affect recruitment a lot of times in cases where one of the girls could get a "higher tier" group and she ends up joining the "lower tier" one to be with her friends. So maybe ADPi could nab a bunch of friend groups in this way.

I could be getting this mixed up with another school, but I remember reading in a college guidebook once something that i've always wondered about.

some girl was describing w&l recruitment and how it was great because people who don't get their first choice get placed in their 2nd choice, so noone gets left out. perhaps i am misinterpreting this, but how would that work out? is it just that by the time they get through to pref round they are guaranteed a bid if they "maximize their options"?

actually looking back on this now, that is probably what they meant. i was just so confused i guess because of how it was phrased...which i don't remember exactly. but if you have any insight i am curious :)

How do you think it will play for ADPi to not have a gorgeous house in which to host rush as compared to the other groups? What's an equivalent place they could use that's in reasonable proximity for Rounds? If I'm matching dates correctly, those houses weren't built during the 2 previous expansions and I could see that being a big deal.

There is no guaranteed bid system at W&L. Some schools guarantee you a bid if you maximize your options throughout recruitment - this is true. W&L does not.

That said, if you maximize your options, you will more than likely get a bid at W&L. It's a very small number who completely "fall through" recruitment (as it's known on campus) due to all the sororities releasing them. The majority of women who don't receive bids at W&L don't receive bids because they choose not to join certain groups.

I think I've said this elsewhere, but I don't really think it will hurt them at all to not have a house the first year if it's known for sure to PNMs that there will be a house in the near future. That was the main reason expansion failed when they attempted it my senior year - there were no funds allocated for a 6th house (W&L insists on owning & building all the houses) and the sororities selected realized it would be fruitless to colonize without a house on the way.

The problem is definitely what is the equivalent place they could use. I am guessing they will do it in the Commons as it's just over the Cadaver bridge. The law school is also close but I don't think they have any appropriate spaces. The other option would be somewhere in the gyms, which are just over the Sorority bridge. But for some reason I think it will almost certainly be the Commons. (For the non W&Lers, the sorority houses are located beside the football field and law school, separated from the rest of the campus but two bridges over a large ravine.)

The houses opened in Fall 2000, so that did not affect colonization for Pi Phi ('92) and KD ('97). Recruitment was formerly held in the University Center (the building connected to and beside the old Dining Hall, don't know what it is now called, I think it was renamed). Catering is in there now and I believe the Counseling Center is still there as well. Recruitment then was considerably more frilly and houses papered the walls/floors of the rooms completely with these huge murals and used way more decoration. Most of those rooms are now used for catering/the W&L business office though. It's also pretty far from the sorority houses.

According to what I've heard, the ADPi house is on track to be built for the beginning of the 2009-2010 schoolyear. At least that's what I've heard. So that would mean potentially 2 recruitments for ADPi sans a house.

The nice part of that is that ADPi members will get a lot of input into what they'd like in their house. The house will be on the far side of Kappa, closest to the Sorority bridge. Its address will 12 Frank Parsons Way. :)

The lack of the house probably wouldn't bother the PNMs if they see it in the process of being built. It's possible that the Class of '12 ADPi might get to live in the house as srs if the school breaks ground on schedule.

I was just wondering about the logistics of recruitment parties if it's 5 houses all in a row and then one off somewhere else on campus.