With the new release figures method, chapters are having to make heavier cuts earlier on, and alot of the time, grades are the only thing you really have to go on. When you HAVE to cut a certain number of women, you just go with the lowest GPAs.

^^^ I agree. That was the point I was trying to make to another poster. You just did it better!:)

I recall a lot of raised eyebrows at anything under a 3.9 for a freshman. I can't remember the actual required gpa for a freshman because it was a non issue. But a freshman with a (in comparison) low gpa would get analyzed closer. At the very least out of curiosity as to how she snagged a spot in the freshman class.

I guess it depends on the academic strength of the particular university, but at a school that is hard to get into (let's say under 35% admitted) cutting based on GPA for freshmen in the fall seems to be splitting hairs. At a prestigious school, how low of a HS GPA can a PNM have and still have gotten in? The real sorter is once you have those first semester grades, because everyone may have done well in high school, but college is a different ball game. Can you be sure that a PNM with a 3.94 in HS is going to do better in college than a PNM with a 3.78 in HS? I don't think so.

I know at Texas Tech, Tex A&M HS grades are used by some chapters as first round cut. Probably not so at UT since bascially the entire freshmen class is in the top 10% of the HS class or they wouldn't be there.

General advice I give girls who are interested in Greek Life regardless of campus: The more competitive the recruitment, the higher the minimum GPA chapters will look for. The same goes for the more popular the chapter.

Just have to say:
This discussion may be the first, last, and only time I've been glad I'm an advisor at a campus with deferred recruitment!! ;)

cutie- Just curious, do you not consider gpa much of a factor on your campus? I would think that gpa would still be a big deal -especially with deferred recruitment(at semester, right?) to see how the girls are managing with a college load...

Maybe she's referring to the fact that you only have to worry about one standard to judge grades. I know we had several frustrated advisers that couldn't understand why we'd "tsk tsk" at a freshman with a 3.7 but be in awe of a 2nd/3rd year with a 3.2 gpa.

Probably because when recruitment is deferred, you make REAL cuts based on GPA. High school GPAs are not necessarily indicative of how well someone will do in college, but if you wait a semester, there's your answer. It re-sorts everyone instead of splitting hairs for speculation.

Exactly.

I hope some remeber that GPA is very important, but the point also should be taken of how important they may be for the chapter. How else can they help the Chapter. What else did they do pre college.

I founded a local and was on GPA probation until I graduated.

We have been there since 1965 and will be celebrating our Chartering with LXA in 1969 which means 40 Years in 2009!;)

Was it worth it? Heck Yes! Not everyone had The GPA, but became very important for our growth. One is now a District Court Judge and many are business owners or major people with Toyota, Chrysler, John Deere, Catapiller ETAL., from what they learned not only from College, but being part of our group!:)

New teens have more and are more self centered with what they have, but still have a lot to learn in College not just grades, but how to operate with people!;)

What better way? Becoming a member of a Greek of a Society

Exactly. When we look at GPAs for our girls, we know how they measure up against the campus standard. Plus, as a guidance counselor, I know that what is an honor student at high school A would barely be in the top half in high school B. So this evens out the playing field a great deal.

But on the flip side...
Every year, we have a much larger number of girls sign up for Recruitment than actually go through--because grades come out and they are no longer eligible. I've always thought of it from the standpoint that if we had Fall Recruitment, we could work with these girls to get their grades up and have them in our scholarship programs from the beginning. Plus, quota would be higher and we could raise total back to where it was a few years ago. Now I acknowledge how wonderful it is that every girl who pledges is academically eligible to be initiated. Although we stress scholarship (after all, my girls better keep their #1 status on campus!!!), it's not a constant worry like it would be if they were in their first semester. I would hate to have to come to a new member and tell her she wasn't eligible for initiation with her class due to her first semester grades.

It is a luxory that you have am I right? Well for the moment? One never knows from Semester to another.

So, then maybe my question would be, they have great GPA, but what else can they do?;)

Are they totally well rounded?:)

Without speaking about M.S., I can say, yes, my girls are well rounded. Every girl at the college is well-rounded--they are so involved I don't know how they have time to get the grades they do!!

Grades are not the only factor we have, and I sincerely doubt any organization works that way. I certainly wouldn't have gotten in myself if that was all it was based upon! ;)

Not sure what the M S reference is to,

but I congratulate on what your chapter is like and should be admired!:cool:

Keeping the standards up is never easy and it seems that they are doing a fantastic job! That is outstanding!:cool:

Knowing what I have been through and seeing others, it is not easy!