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33girl 05-07-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI;
If being a part of a large, well established NPC chapter was important to you, why didn't you join an NPC in the first place?
Because at F & M, at the time KBG was created, they only had 2 NPC sororities. One has closed since then so for the majority of KBG's existence, there were only 2 sororities to choose from - Chi Omega and KBG. The school didn't recognize Greeks for a long time and that contributed to a lot of NPCs not wanting to colonize at the school, even though it is full of great women. But now the Greeks ARE being re-recognized and NPC groups want to be part of it. It's a really odd situation and one that isn't likely to happen again any time soon.

This seems to have been conducted in a very straight up manner by all concerned - KBG national, KD national and the sisters at the F & M chapter. That LUC deal, though, really really not so much.

PhiRhoSister 05-07-2008 04:18 PM
I wrote this in another thread, but it is one thing to accept a local sorority or a group that had its roots with another national sorority. It is another to actually initiate a whole group of women who were once initiated in another "national sorority". National fraternities do this, but national sororities do not -- regardless if they are part of NPC, NPHC, etc. It just seems that any NPC sorority that does this is desperate for a chapter and loses a lot of respect from other national groups. How would an NPC sorority feel if this was done to them -- they would not like it at all.

The NPC sorority "should" have waited for the group to become a local sorority (after disafflilating from the national sorority) for at least 3-4 years until all those women graduated, before allowing the group to petition and accepted by an NPC sorority. But apparently, the NPC sorority was not willing to wait or to start from the ground up.

KSUViolet06 05-07-2008 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister (Post 1646765)
It just seems that any NPC sorority that does this is desperate for a chapter and loses a lot of respect from other national groups. How would an NPC sorority feel if this was done to them -- they would not like it at all.

Wow. KD has 130 chapters, plus 3 upcoming colonies (not including F&M). They are certainly not "desperate." KD didn't just swoop in and say "hey you guys should leave KBG and become KDs, we'll help!" They were contacted by the group.

kddani 05-07-2008 04:34 PM
KD is far from desperate. Refer to the number of new colonies we have in the works, the fact that we have the most alumnae chapters out of any NPC group and our strength in many other areas.

Attacking a group, calling them desperate, without knowing all the facts behind the situation is B.S., tacky and rude, PhiRhoSister. You don't make the rules, telling them that they should've disaffiliated, etc.

NutBrnHair 05-07-2008 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister (Post 1646765)
National fraternities do this, but national sororities do not -- regardless if they are part of NPC, NPHC, etc. It just seems that any NPC sorority that does this is desperate for a chapter and loses a lot of respect from other national groups...
I think that's pretty harsh.

I think Kappa Delta is a welcome addition to F&M.

AOII Angel 05-07-2008 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister (Post 1646765)
I wrote this in another thread, but it is one thing to accept a local sorority or a group that had its roots with another national sorority. It is another to actually initiate a whole group of women who were once initiated in another "national sorority". National fraternities do this, but national sororities do not -- regardless if they are part of NPC, NPHC, etc.
Why is it different? Do women of local sororities owe less allegiance to their chapters? Soronian is a local sorority with a longer history than the NPC. Would taking over Soronian be less objectionable to taking over a chapter of a national organization? The women of KBG at F&M made the decision to join KD...they can do that. Obviously they were not getting what they needed as a group from KBG nationals. I don't think you can accuse the NPC of stealing chapters from KBG. We all are at risk of losing chapters if we don't do everything necessary to provide the experience that the women of our chapters are seeking. I hope KBG's other chapters are happy, and that they are able to expand as they wish. Chapters of local sororities and national sororities have been incorporated many, many times into NPC orgs. I don't think that the decision was ever made lightly on either side.

33girl 05-07-2008 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1646799)
Why is it different? Do women of local sororities owe less allegiance to their chapters? Soronian is a local sorority with a longer history than the NPC. Would taking over Soronian be less objectionable to taking over a chapter of a national organization?
Yeah, I was going to say that if a 100+ year old local's active sisters all of a sudden woke up one day and said (without any pressure from the college to change their status) "Being local sucks! We're going NPC!" that would probably have WAY greater repercussions.

I do wonder if the women could have all just disaffiliated as a group, made an interest group and then turned into Kappa Delta, thereby leaving the KBG chapter open for those women who wanted to join. I am just grasping at straws but I wouldn't be surprised if the school put the kibosh on that idea.

lucgreek 05-07-2008 10:49 PM
as a greek at luc not involved in the whole KBG/KKG switch, I can tell you what I've heard:

luc KBG girls were very dissatisified with nationals and had expressed that to them. nationals really didn't act on it or take them seriously so the girls felt left out and wanted to be part of a group that would pay attention to them.

the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life.

sororities at luc are all huge (i think all are at least 60+ members each), so this is a place where you want to make sure your chapter has good relations with nationals.

fantASTic 05-08-2008 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 1647115)
as a greek at luc not involved in the whole KBG/KKG switch, I can tell you what I've heard:

luc KBG girls were very dissatisified with nationals and had expressed that to them. nationals really didn't act on it or take them seriously so the girls felt left out and wanted to be part of a group that would pay attention to them.


sororities at luc are all huge (i think all are at least 60+ members each), so this is a place where you want to make sure your chapter has good relations with nationals.
I feel like I've heard this about KBG several times. Am I just making that up or has anyone else seen this as a common theme? I'm getting old - you never know, my memory could be going :D

SoCalGirl 05-08-2008 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 1647115)
as a greek at luc not involved in the whole KBG/KKG switch, I can tell you what I've heard:

luc KBG girls were very dissatisified with nationals and had expressed that to them. nationals really didn't act on it or take them seriously so the girls felt left out and wanted to be part of a group that would pay attention to them.

the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life.

sororities at luc are all huge (i think all are at least 60+ members each), so this is a place where you want to make sure your chapter has good relations with nationals.
You shouldn't spread gossip if you can't even get the groups names correct. KKG =/= KD

kddani 05-08-2008 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl (Post 1647549)
You shouldn't spread gossip if you can't even get the groups names correct. KKG =/= KD
Read her post closer and read the entire thread. KD is colonizing at F&M, not LUC. The poster is referring to another chapter of KBG that decided to change to an NPC sorority and chose KKG. Read the thread, its mentioned several times.

33girl 05-08-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 1647115)
as a greek at luc not involved in the whole KBG/KKG switch, I can tell you what I've heard:

luc KBG girls were very dissatisified with nationals and had expressed that to them. nationals really didn't act on it or take them seriously so the girls felt left out and wanted to be part of a group that would pay attention to them.

the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life.

sororities at luc are all huge (i think all are at least 60+ members each), so this is a place where you want to make sure your chapter has good relations with nationals.
The chapter was not released by KBG national. The girls did not "disassociate" - what they did made the chapter disappear. If they didn't want to be in KBG, they could have terminated themselves from KBG and started an interest group for a new NPC sorority. The problem is that would have taken time, getting recognized, etc, and apparently "don't care how, I want it now!!" You say that there are girls who didn't want the switch - why couldn't they have kept the KBG chapter alive? It sounds like the girls who went to KKG shit talked KBG to LUC's Panhel and LUC in general, because if LUC had such an issue with KBG not being NPC they would have done something about it before this.

There's a GC poster whose mom was a KBG alumna from LUC and apparently the alums had NO idea any of this was happening. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by ta kala (Post 1646847)
They, for many years, have been disatisfied with KBG (that is not to put KBG down, I am sure they have chapters who are extrememly proud to be KBG).
Many years??? The KBG chapter has only been there since 2002. It's not like they had been complaining about them since the 60s or something.

As a member of one of the "1951 joiners" - I'm a little sensitive to stuff like NPC not following through on promises they make or being disrespectful to smaller groups.

Senusret I 05-08-2008 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1647727)
The chapter was not released by KBG national. The girls did not "disassociate" - what they did made the chapter disappear. If they didn't want to be in KBG, they could have terminated themselves from KBG and started an interest group for a new NPC sorority. The problem is that would have taken time, getting recognized, etc, and apparently "don't care how, I want it now!!" You say that there are girls who didn't want the switch - why couldn't they have kept the KBG chapter alive? It sounds like the girls who went to KKG shit talked KBG to LUC's Panhel and LUC in general, because if LUC had such an issue with KBG not being NPC they would have done something about it before this.

There's a GC poster whose mom was a KBG alumna from LUC and apparently the alums had NO idea any of this was happening. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely inexcusable.



Many years??? The KBG chapter has only been there since 2002. It's not like they had been complaining about them since the 60s or something.

As a member of one of the "1951 joiners" - I'm a little sensitive to stuff like NPC not following through on promises they make or being disrespectful to smaller groups.
The whole thing stinks to me.

NutBrnHair 05-08-2008 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1647727)
As a member of one of the "1951 joiners" - I'm a little sensitive to stuff like NPC not following through on promises they make or being disrespectful to smaller groups.
I have never heard that term. (Hmmm...learn something new everyday.)

33girl 05-08-2008 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1647734)
I have never heard that term. (Hmmm...learn something new everyday.)
Actually, I probably should correct that - not so much a 1951 joiner thing, more an AES thing. NPC said they would stay out of the schools of education to keep things clear for the AES groups and surprise surprise, they went into them anyway.

The other groups that joined in 1951, well, I don't think they could very well say "doggone it, why did you have to remove your exclusionary policies!"


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