They are not Brothers yet.

They do not have to stay.

They are hurting you more than they are helping you!

If they are this way now, just what will they be like if they get initiated, end up closing the Chapter?

Clean one or two to show how serious you are and some may fall in line. Pick the main ones who :Think: they are the leaders.

problem with that...

not that i dont' find construction in building a pledge class around hazing to an extent. But no offense to your fraternity, but if you are just now getting chartered i assume the older brothers in the fraternity, pretty much just started the fraternity without going through any kind of hazing or innitiation process.

Its hard to be hazed by and still respect someone who you know did not have to go through it.

I would just get the money or kick em out, you can't expect much dedication when still in the colony period, my friend became a founding father of a fraternity last semester as a pledge and they had the same problem, him and his pledge brothers really didn't do crap. Its slowly starting to work out now though.

What you said is so true, but usualy the ones who started the group are working their rears off to get it done.

But here again it just takes a few to ruin it for the many and the growth.

Live or die is the question isnt it?

Depends on what you are doing to the little lads.

With that said, I wouldn't waste the time or effort coming up with inventive ways to bring the fear of God to little shits that act like that.

Chapter>ball>c'ya pledge

I agree a lot with what everyone else has said. Your setting yourselves up for failure if you are only using these Kids as a number, a number is only a number and means nothing compared to non-material benefits of Brotherhood. A Brother is more than a number. A Brother embodies everything that your Fraternity stands for. If these pledges don't embody those things, they should not be looked at as future brothers. Your charter will be worthless if you are just going to lose it in a semester or two because of these Kids. If you really care for your fraternity then it's future status and every single person you even think about letting pledge should mean almost the world to you so you would get rid of anyone or anything that is going to give themselves, you, your fraternity and it's founders a bad name. If they don't fit what ever standard it is that you use to pledge someone, they should not even be there. Tell you headquarters what is going on and I am pretty sure that they will understand. If you have a colony advisor or advisory board, I would let them know too. There should be no giving these kids an Ultimatum, get rid of them. Good luck.

Right!! I co-sign on that.

I agree.

If you're hitting them or something equally ridiculous, they won't respect you regardless but even more so if you didn't go through it yourself.

Be inventive in how you treat the pledges. Make it something that can become annual pledge activities.(since you're still a colony, events like this are important I think)

Have you asked anyone from Nationals for help? Much better to postpone a charter than to lose one.

I'm a little late to this thread but..

Bad pledges usually equal bad brothers. Cut them.

If they aren't an asset to the chapter as pledges how are they going to be an asset to the chapter as brothers? I agree with the other posters who have stated that brotherhood is far more important than numbers. I've seen what happens when you don't let go of bad pledges and it's not good. Give them the option of either living up to your fraternity's ideals and being good brothers or getting out now.

We had this problem last semester. I'd show up at every pledge meeting and berate them for not showing up to meetings on time, not respecting house rules, not paying, etc. etc.

Eventually they started taking us seriously....when I called out a couple guys and gave them two weeks to shape up or ship out. Since we're not allowed to haze pledges just go on a strike system. What do you think works better: being forced to drink and do push ups or the possibility of being depledged for being an idiot? Being Non-Hazing doesn't mean being weak and soft.


We handed out depledge notices like candy and the six who stayed through are excellent actives now.