No, because what's stopping the PNM from making that her opinion before going through rush?

We don't want that here.

To quote a line from the wonderful folx at AKA Ave...

WE'VE. GOT. THIS. THANKS.

If we were all so "Panhellenic," then these reputations wouldn't exist at all.

Give it a rest. If they don't find it out reputations here, they'll find it somewhere else (and maybe those that tell them about the stereotypes would be a whole lot less hateful about it.).

This is greekchat, and why would you not expect them to come here and try to find out everything they possibly can about the possibilities in Greek life?

Again, the problem is a house's "reputation" is very subjective.
And there is plenty here to help a pnm to prepare and discuss greek life without going into some sort of ranking of specific glos at individual campuses.

As to being panhellenic - speak for yourself. I am in a part of the country where my glos has no chapters. I formed an alumnae panhellenic in order to help young women from around here pledge other glos because I am that committed to the Panhellenic Creed. I gave lectures to high school seniors for years about preparing for recruitment - and never mentioned my affiliation. I daresay I qualify as panhellenically minded.

You know and I know that people tend to overlook those last three words - "in my opinion."

AGUGA, I don't think it's so much feeling that our opinions are valid on things like how release figures work and not valid on the "best" sorority on so and so campus, more that you can give generic answers (within reason) to the first type of question.

We used to have TONS of people who would come on and ask "what is ASA like at your campus?" for their OWN sorority. People were honest, and invariably, the OP and a bunch of other people in the sorority got upset, because invariably, someone posting was at a campus where that sorority just wasn't doing very well. So we just don't do it anymore. It doesn't accomplish anything positive.

This was the girls more than the guys. I've seen fraternity discussions where everyone seems to say what they feel and no one gets offended. But then again I think that goes back to the fact that guys seem to believe they will make the fraternity, and girls believe the sorority will make them. It's a simple difference in the sexes.

Oh, and Kevin mentioned something about if girls want to get into a "top" house they need to get rec letters. If they are in that kind of a cutthroat rush - it has NOTHING to do with them cutting the sorority, it has to do with the sorority cutting them. Point being in that kind of rush women should have recs for ALL the sororities they can get, not just the "top" ones. If someone sees that ASA is the top sorority at LSU, they knock themselves out getting ASA recs and blow off everything else, they're going to have a rude awakening when they get cut the first day because ASA at LSU had more legacies than it had room for and everyone who wasn't a legacy got released. They then have no recs to the other sororities, who may cut them as well, and they might end up only in the "bottom" house anyway.

Then let them go elsewhere for it.

Check the archives. Threads about sorority reps are usually promptly locked...usually for the reasons already listed above. It's been that way from the beginning and I say it's worked well.

glad to help out 33!;)

It's not that I want to see a bunch of reputation threads. There are other places to go for that I think and it's a part of recruitment which rolls around soon enough.

I just don't think it's worth getting bent out of shape about one way or another.

I agree. It always starts off with the OP asking about reps. Then a GC regular explains why rep threads aren't allowed. And then someone else bitches about how they should be allowed. And the debate goes on...and on. It's a never-ending cycle.

I'm surprised that the mods don't lock these threads sooner.

You know, I understand perfectly all of y'alls reasoning behind not posting about reputations and not posting "opinions" about chapters.........but I am still kind of left shaking my head and laughing.

Some of you may think that a rundown of a sorority is a subjective opinion.............have you not considered that the rundown may be nothing but a spot on, very correct discription? I'm not going to name names, but at Texas there are sororities that are just plain bad, simple as that. It isn't an opinion. It's a very real truth. They have terrible numbers, don't participate in anything, and generally don't even have a shot at getting girls that were cut by the strong houses. I'm not being mean, or cruel, or biased. I'm being honest. There are chapters like these everywhere. I see nothing wrong with telling potential rushees about them either.

So the PNMs should PM Mac if they want the honest truth about any tiers in TX, SEC or any other Southern university or LAC?:)

If they're really THAT different from the other sororities on campus, won't the rushees be able to tell right away, though? I mean, the OP is going to a campus with only FOUR NPC orgs (am I right?). Won't she be able to tell right away if a group falls into this "just plain bad" group? Why should we make it our job to tell her? Why not just say, "Hey, there are only 4 groups at UTA, and you'll probably be able to tell how they 'stack up' during rush."

Honestly, it's what I do. I know he can give me a very specific take from a particular point of view.

I disagree with him though about there being truly bad groups even as he defined it at UGA. Even groups that have struggled with numbers at one point or another have always been involved and successful with extracurriculars and campus leadership and participate fully in campus life, except probably for having socials with the groups that Macallen would say were the best.

You can be a smart ass all day long....I'm simply being honest.

..........yeah though, I would be more than happy to give an honest rundown of schools that I am very familiar with.

As I said before, I know next to nothing about anything at UTA. Yeah she may be able to tell right off the bat. I still find nothing wrong with telling her beforehand.

Actually I was being serious. As one who has been accused of being preoccupied with rankings many times on GC, I find your tier posts quite refreshing (and accurate).