Honestly, even it it was just during your pledge semester, it's still a good result. I'm not sure why you got the attitude from other posters on that.

Although it may not be typical for NPHC groups, NPC and IFC groups do appeal directly to folks straight out of high school, and I'd say that the OP's list was probably what most guy PNMs are looking for. You're probably kidding yourself if you deny it.

sorry to hijack the thread, jus wanna be clear...
 

my bad - maybe that did come off like im a total jerkface! all i was saying was that rushing with a 3.8 as a freshman just means you did really well first semester. which is applaudable, i guess, but at the same time i know LOTS of folks who aced their first semester. depends on your courseload and your standards i guess.

partially my bad cause you DID say you had a 3.8 both semesters - and during your pledge time - great! now if you were MAINTAINING a 3.8 and you were like a sophomore/junior rushing, then i'd be REALLY impressed. (not that you need to be impressing me... you know? im jus saying)

and that's JMO outside of it being an NPHC vs. NPC/IFC issue - wasnt making it out to be that at all.

(sorry for the hijack!)

Whenever someone asks me "why join" I like to spin them around and pin their arm behind their back. Now who's asking the questions?

Ok - Great friends, great parties, great sex...totally worth the small ding against your GPA for that one semester.

I'd check the Greek Affairs website for the school that they are planning to attend - there may be data specific to that school available.

BGSU has reports on their website - the fraternity men's GPA is higher than the all men's GPA, and the All Greek GPA is higher than the non-Greek GPA.

http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/sa/greek...page15839.html

You can search other school websites for similar info.

Do you wanna join?

I don't quite get all of these "Well if you're contemplating it so much, are you ready to join a frat? Do you really wanna join one?" etc etc etc CRAP.

I don't know about yall, but here at UCSD we've never been known as a big social campus. We lack a frat row and a football team, two big things that many "party" schools have and so yea. But honestly asking tons of guys from my chapter of SigEp, and other guys from other fraternities on campus, there are a ton of people, me included that end up saying "Wow frats get such a bad rap, it's totally different than what is being portrayed"

Bottom line is yes, there are the social functions, the sorority exchanges, formals, greek week, intramural sports, philanthropies, crazy parties, but bottom line is just rush a few frats, see if you click with some of the guys and if you feel comfortable with it, then I'm pretty sure you'll feel that it is for you. Don't let preconceptions stop you from going Greek! :]

No problem....and, again, I wasn't trying to brag....just trying to let the guy know that it's pretty easy to have a good GPA when you pledge.....especially if you have mandatory pledge study halls and a set GPA that you must meet for initiation.

last bust not least
 

does it matter if im asian as i saw the bible thing.......


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Bible thing? :confused:

No, it does not matter if you are Asian. What does matter is simply finding a group that you click with.

If you seriously look into rushing, you'll find that each chapter of each fraternity has a different personality. Although all groups should have at least some focus on academics, some chapters may be more studious than others. Some groups may be really into athletics. Etc. (I'd recommend not necessarily listening to stereotypes of chapters, which can be wrong or exaggerated - form your own impressons too.)

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exactly
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and yea im confused about this whole "bible thing" too ???

I'm sorry, but both of you are being just a little naive. There are plenty of chapters at many schools where, absolutely, it would matter if you were Asian, or any non-white race.

macallan25,

Would you have them answer, "oh, you're Asian; forget it" ?

Yeah, some chapters do discriminate, contrary to the non-discrimination clause of their national organizations, but I suspect that they're covered by Susan's "click with" comment.

Non-whites aren't likely to click with racist chapters, right?

No, nor did I say anything like that, I was just being honest.

Furthermore, I think it is mighty unfair for you to label chapters as discriminatory, and I think you would make quite a few people extremely upset if this is what you believe goes down in many of our selection processes. Just because you have an all white chapter, in no way, means that you routinely discriminate during the rush process.

Doesn't that somewhat contradict with what you said here:

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Anyhow, you were looking at the comments about being Asian not mattering from an individual chapter perspective - I was making the comment from the system as a whole perspective. Being Asian would not make a difference for him approaching the rush process - are there some individual chapters which might discriminate against him? Sure. (unfortunately) But would those really be the chapters he felt that he fit in at and wanted to join anyhow? Probably not.