YOU haven't answered my question. Nobody is calling you a racist. I do, however, think you need to stay in your lane on YOUR campus.

The difference between you and I is when a fraternity (or SEVERAL) have racist parties or drink a pledge to death, I still don't view it as an issue that your ENTIRE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION has failed to address. I view it as some members breaking the rules. I would expect that same courtesy from a fellow Greek.

On your campus?

Amen. and for much less than this.

So what is your point, really?

There is no dignity or pride in being "forced" to drink alcohol to the point where you can cause serious harm to yourself or die. A person who is injured or killed through alcohol is no less of a dumbass punk than the one hurt or killed through beatings.

The problem here is too much defensiveness. The truth is that for historically white and historically black GLOs there are differing cultures of hazing, which go beyond talk of individual responsibility and transcend national Greek affiliation. Yes, alcohol abuse is a very serious (and ocaasionally deadly!) problem with the former and physical hazing represents the same for the latter. We have to look at these things head on.

I see the "white groups" instituting all kinds of educational programs, including "dry houses" (which many actives and chapters disregard or rebel against said programs) and you still see the stories of deaths due to alcohol poisonings; and physical hazing continues to be single biggest threat to the survivial of BGLOs,even though pledging was done away with. In truth, now,it's simply become a sub rosa ("underground") activity.

It's not so much about the sensationalized stories of hazing by whatever BGLO gets the headlines for an egregious hazing incident, where the Nupes and the Apes have garnered the most headlines recently, it's about the fact that this is the tip of the iceberg, extreme examples of common place behaviour. The same goes for "white" groups and alcohol abuse. On the whole, though, I do think the "white" groups have addressed the alcohol abuse problem in their groups in a more integral way than BGLOs have physical hazing, as a part of the "culture" of the organizations. (Just as we are not fully comfortable in dealing with the issue of homophobia in the context of the AIDS crisis in the African American community at large---from the street corner to the church.) This is what Prof. Ricky Jones, Ph.D. (a Nupe) is trying to do with his book, "Black Haze"; he has received chilly if not hostile responses from some Black Greeks for his radical means of addressing physical hazing:dismantling the organizations if they don't deal with this issue forthright.

We're past the point of defensiveness. Ultimately, Greek Life as we know it is at stake--for all groups. This is the real issue.

No.

The problem is figuring out why that poster is acting like an NIC culture of binge drinking and whatever the hell else they do is remotely more noble than an alleged NPHC culture of paddling/beating. Every national body does things to prevent hazing and punishes those who are caught. Hazing still happens for every type of organization. The form of hazing doesn't matter.

Moving on.

awesome, another thread developing into a racial issue

KyleMcGuire is the only one who tried to make it into one.