It may be discrimination on behalf of the school, but they're just trying to protect themselves from any lawsuits that could occur with a non national organization. It's a HUGE liability on behalf of our ogranization and the university itself to not have national backing if an incident were to occur. We already have chapters of Gamma Sigma Sigma and the other co-ed service fraternity at this campus, but that doesn't matter since we're looking to continue the tradition of a social organization. Since we are currently associate members of PHA (unable to vote or hold office) we're definately wanting to have full membership after extension. Therefore, a NPC sorority is really our only option either way. We have not spoken to NPC in regards to extension because PHA has not voted to extend yet since my chapter has yet to vote on a possible merger. We will be voting on if we want to merge or not at the end of the month with pha voting to extend by the end of the semester. I really wish NPC could at least tell us ballpark figures about cost, time length, and the general process before we as a chapter vote on merging or not because many girls in my organization are concerned about that. While most of the girls in my sorority are persuaded that going national would be the best solution to our many problems, if we had more information about the process I think more girls would be for it. Also, I'm well aware about what going national would do to us as a chapter regarding rituals, name, mascot, flower, etc. We would no longer be able to keep these things but would be allowed to teach our history of it in new member education. This seems like a small sacrafice to better our ogranization as a whole.

Your best bets for figuring out the cost as far as dues and such would be to talk to the other chapters on campus. Dues vary nationally but are usually fairly similar for chapters on the same campus.

Timewise if you vote on this and PHC agrees you will get stuff from NPC members rather quickly. You choose three to come and present. That may take until the fall depending on how quickly the rest of this moves. THey present, you choose and they will colonize fairly quickly from there.

It would also be worth contacting someone from the NPC because even though you haven't voted yet they can give you better info on the process.

There are national social sororities that are not part of NPC. NPC is not the be all and end all when it comes to national groups. These groups also have liability insurance, etc.

They would still be non voting members of panhellenic, we wish to be able to vote and hold office.

A campus's local panhellenic can allow a non-NPC group to be full members, vote and hold office. This goes for non-NPC nationals and locals.

If you WANT to go NPC, that's fine...just don't let the school bully you, if that isn't what you want. There are other options. It just sounded from the tone of your previous posts that NPC was being pushed down your throat and you had a lot of concerns.

If you do choose an NPC group, yes they probably will expect you to get your numbers up to be competitive with the other NPC groups on campus before you are fully chartered. And I'll go so far as to say if they don't, look out. They should also give you help with this, as Heather mentioned.

You should also be aware that the women who are currently members of the sorority may not automatically be slotted for exec board positions - they may want everyone to "start fresh" and not give preference to the original sorority members. This depends on the group. Also, your sisters might have to in effect rush again with the national group - that is, some women might not be chosen to become part of the national organization. Again, this depends on the group.

I don't mean to be Debbie Downer, but at a campus where NPC sororities are the size you mentioned they are, you need to really be careful of what you're doing.

Thank you for pointing this out! Kappa Beta Gamma is fully involved with NPC on every campus we are a part of and have members representing as officers both on campus panhell as well as other Greek councils. Typically NPC exists on campus to create unity amongst ALL the sororities because the mission is to promote Greek life on campus. It only hurts everyone if they refuse by dividing GLOs and allowing advantages in different ways. (for example, a sorority that isn't involved under NPC doesn't have to abide by rush rules set by NPC). I agree that a campus that simply denies a sorority from colonizing because they are not NPC is behaving ignorantly without being fully aware of the facts. We have full insurance coverage, a risk management program, etc....all the main reasons schools want their locals to "go national."

KBG had a chapter at your school...are you sure they'd never heard of them?

I can understand your concerns. Based on the timeline that you laid out, voting completed and approved at the end of the semester, your school will be announced in the NPC Extension Bulletin just before summer break. You, the collective "you", may not start to get packets until early September. You decide which groups you want to present and then the presentations start. These are usually spread out over a few weeks and you may be looking at mid-October before voting on which group to colonize. (Now that I have laid out that possible timeline, it really is up to your group, Panhellenic and your adminstration to set the timeline. I have seen some crazy short turnaround times and others that were very generous.)

Each group is very different in terms of how they apporach colonization. It also depends on the motivation of the colony and the school calendar. Say a group uses a 10-week colony format. It may actually be longer because a) a school break falls within that those 10 weeks or b) 45 girls are needed to charter but at week 7, the colony only has 35. The same 10-week format could be shortened if all the requirements are met before week 10. It just really depends.

As for the cost, yes, each group does have a different fee schedule. The best place to gauge how much you all will need to pay is to look at the costs of chapters already on your campus. You won't be able to get specifc national fee information from potential groups until you start receiving packets.

You mentioned housing. If housing is something that the other NPCs have, a prospective chapter will want to have one too. Otherwise, the new chapter will not be competative in that aspect. Do not answer this here but it is something that the adminstration will have to ponder. What sort of comparable housing arrangement are they willing and/or able to provide? Again, do not answer that here.

Housing while not a dead end for a new group, it is a plus if all others have a house.

If this group does get a NPC who are interested, they can always rent a house. It may not be a big house but something with letters of the owner allows it and be a central meeting point for the members.

The first house as a local that we rented, we stuffed guys in because everyone wanted to live there and the second was the old PKA house which was rented after they built a new house that they owned. Our third house is one that we purchased which has been torn down and a new house built.

It will take a lot of hard work on the part of the members and if they are serious, it can come true!

Good luck!:)

A sorority seeking to affiliate with the NPC on a campus where there are already NPCs will have specific rules about housing. There are many rules governing NPC housing under the Unanimous Agreements. I suggest you study a Green Book before speaking any further about what this sorority will have to do.

And of course you help is special in helping this poster.:eek:

This is about her and the group that she is trying to start and trying to find out how to go about it!

If you wish to help then please do!:)

This not about you and me or anyone else it is about helping others which you seem to have a problem with!:(

The best way to "help" is to provide answers based on knowledge, not supposition. I would hate to have someone who didn't know what he/she was talking about offer advice which turned out to be wrong, and thus hinder the local group as they explore their options.
There are two organizations the local has to answer to - their campus administration, and the national (be it NPC or not) group(s) which the local wishes to consider. As far as NPC costs, the advice to check out what your current NPC groups charge is good. You might also be able to ask individual groups via their headquarters what their initiation fee, badge cost, and that sort of thing is - I think that is considered pretty open, and the worst that can happen is they say "no" (although I think if you explain your situation most groups would be willing to provide information.)
Best of luck - it may be difficult, but ultimately I believe it will work out for the best. One big advantage to a national is the network all over the world. I've met wonderful sisters everywhere I've gone.

If the university officials are telling you that you can't afflilate with a non-NPC sorority, then it is because of lack of knowledge about non-NPC sororities or just wanting to make their job as easy as possible!! Believe me, interest groups of my non-NPC sorority are told this all the time by the Greek Life offices and it is simply not true. Sometimes nationals has to talk with the Greek Life or higher ups, but eventually the correct university people are talked to and everything is sorted out.

In terms of full membership vs associate membership in Panhel, that is probably a lack of knowledge of national non-NPC sororities by Panhel members. Where chapters of my sorority want to be full members, it has been a matter of working with the Panhel and sometimes rewriting the Panhel constitution to recognize both NPC and national non-NPC groups. Other chapters rather just stay associate members, because the Panhel dues for full members are so high.

So if you research and actually find a national non-NPC sorority that has similar values and goals of your sorority, then contact them. Most national non-NPC sororities over 5 chapters have at least $1 million coverage as required by a lot of universities. Also, a national non-NPC sorority will most likely not require a house and will have reasonable national dues and fees.

If you have any alumnae, getting them involved in the local-to-national process and talking with the university may also help your position. Sorry for being so long winded -- I just wanted to help you understand that you do not need to limit your options this early in the process! Good luck!!

I just wanted to point out that most NPCs do not require their chapters to be housed, unless the campus environment requires it. Some campuses, not having a house wouldn't matter, others it would be a complete deal-breaker.