I an anti an AI sub forum, for all of the reasons KDOnline stated above.

That's exactly it. SOME people try to make all of us to be "anti AI" when in reality I don't know anyone who's totally against AI, but I think all of us are against the AI FORUM.

There's a distinction between being anti-forum and anti-AI.

As are most, if not all, NPC groups.

Agreed 100%

Excellent idea.

I agree. This forum has become a circus & should no longer exist.

If you are going to follow the D9 forum rules, then you shouold also get rid of the Recruitment forum too. Even there, undergrad membership questions are not welcomed either.

NPC Undergraduate recruitment IS sorority shopping and is acceptable as such in its current form. Our organizations' primary mission is collegiate programming.

Our reason for recommending the closing of an AI forum is that AI membership intake is more similiar in its quiet promotion as the D9 membership intake. There are a lot of NPC members who don't approve of AI at all, and the vast majority of sorority women don't even know what AI is. This isn't saying AI is a bad thing-- it is that our organizations have not promoted it heavily b/c they want to keep the membership intake of alumnae initiates low for quality control purposes. AI's don't have a new member period of testing the waters like an undergraduate. An AI, once initiated, isn't bound by regular obligations ensuring that we'll get our "money's worth" from investing in them as a member. They can easily fade away into the woodwork once initiated with no further obligations, unlike a collegian who must maintain membership requirements to retain her status.

AI isn't the same as undergraduate recruitment, just as alumnae membership is worlds away from collegiate membership.

ETA: To the current AI's on GC, I don't care if you sorority shopped or not. You're our sisters now and that's all that matters. I do have a problem with promoting the notion of sorority shopping or promoting the idea that sororities are holding open enrollment options for alumnae members. We simply don't do that and alumnae membership is not at the point where its programming would support such an influx of members. The internet makes it a lot harder for PNAI's b/c if you ARE sorority shopping, it's very easy to let that slip on the internet and make your experience IRL a lot harder.

I think the reason the undergrad rush questions are OK is because all the sororities are together, rushing, during formal rush. i.e. We see what each other is doing IRL, so it's not so bad on here.

Whereas you would never see the 4 NPHC groups all getting together in a room and having a round robin sort of thing. (At least I didn't think so)

Also, collegiate recruitment rules are pretty structured and black and white, and the 26 NPC sororities agree on them.

AI policies vary from sorority to sorority and even then it's reviewed on a case by case basis.

You're right. I cannot think of any school where this has happend, and frankly, never will. The closest that I can think of as a 'round robin' is during a general 'meet the greeks' session where each org will present to those who are interested. After that, each org has its own recruitment meetings / schedule separate and apart from the other groups.

Recruitment - all sororities are aware that PNMs are going to meet with every sorority on campus. It's accepted and expected a PNM will meet with more than one (even in some COB circumstances...)

AI - sororities involved are NOT aware PNAM may be meeting with other sororities.

EXCELLENT post. I completely agree.

I agree 100%. Thank you.

Aren't some aspects of AI public?
 

This whole AI debate kind of blows my mind. I haven't been reading GC long enought to get why it's such a big deal.

But I do want to point out something that strikes me as a faulty premise: the argument that the AI forum shouldn't exist because information about AI is membership selection, and therefore, ritual.

Recruitment isn't membership selections. Information about what PNM can do to seek information isn't membership selection. Only the whys and hows of members actually being chosen gets to the ritual level, as I see it.

If I can tell an 18 year old how to sign up for rush or COR, why couldn't I tell a 35 year old about AI?