Who says, the College Students/Kids?

First time away from Mommy and Daddy and go nuts?

If one is hazed, then He feels that it is right to continue the same rite!:mad:

WOW, makes no sense to me in todays PC world with RM in all factions of Greek Life.

I have no idea what you said. However, they're 18. Its time to grow up. Its harder to grow up when other people are telling you what to do. Sink or swim.

Hell, I understand cannot YOU?:D

Sink or swim?

Kids while 18-19 are still Kids away from home for the first time on their own.

"Damn", I have to make up My own mind! "Damn", I really have never done this before without their help, what do I do now?:(

Sink or swim, many sink!:o

Then where did the terms "Sorority Girls" and "Frat Boys" come from? Non-Greeks wouldn't have been smart enough to come up with them. They'd have been too busy scrubbing johns and mopping floors or - in my case - stocking shelves and making burgers.
- Prunetacos

While I agree it may not be fair to describe this as a "Beta" house activity solely, I wonder--why wouldn't someone associate hazing with fraternities? Greeks, despite the laws, are still hazing, and we have people like shiner and others on this board that promote hazing as a part of Greek life. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO ASSOCIATE THOSE ACTIONS because there are not enough people standing up to state loudly that we don't want that as part of our system.

If you don't like the reference of hazing and fraternities--do something about it.

Editted because of a pesky double negative and bad spelling

18 and 19 year olds are immature because society babies them. Rewind several decades and look how they were acting. There were a lot of young faces in the greatest generation...I wonder why? Because we allowed them to be responsible for themselves.

"Nowhere in your incoherent ramblings....did you come close to anything that could be considered rational thought......" - Billy Madison

Good Point, Shinerbock! Go back even farther in history, and we can find that people were taking on adult responsibilities at 16 and 17, or even sooner. Hard times such as the Great Depression can make people grow up fast. On the other hand, the Roaring Twenties won't be remembered so much as an era of greatness as it will an era of fatuousness.
- Prunetacos

Regardless of whether or not fraternities should have the right to haze, there are most certainly consequences to their actions. Never did I try to minimize the mindset, or responsibilities college-aged students should faze. LaneSig understands what I mean. Their hazing is taped, acknowledged, and accepted by society while greek hazing is frowned down upon by the same people.

Very young, very impressionable, and at times very blinded and short sighted.
Willing to take long walks off of very short docks....

And in the case of this thread, not well paid, professional athlites with trainers on field, and player contracts and league contracts.

In other words, those words, that phrase had nothing to do with this thread at all.

Plenty of college students are well paid.

And people were old at 30 and dead at 40.....

Nice cut and paste-however you missed the full phase.

And one could start threads on the graduation rates of schools in general and then the student/athlets %.

So sad that many do not have degress and that their professional careers can only last a few years. We see the "stars" with these "long" 10, 15, even 20 year careers but you do not see the ones that are only there for a year or two... but we just fell well out of this thread.....should be over in a sports thread.....

Getting back to thread, while I was checking out hazing laws, all seemed to be written for schools, not business.

If that is the case, one would have to see what league rules, union rules and players contract say.

And that could be one major difference. Not sure if OSHA has any say in this matter. As for labor laws, well see above.

Not that hazing is a good thing.

No, I read the full phrase...You said unlike college students....Professional athletes are well paid...................................."

I understood what you were sayinng.

Before antibiotics, before cardiovascular medicine, before insulin, before cancer drugs, before kidney dialysis, before modern emergency surgery techniques, people DID die at a far younger age. However, the age when one acts like a mature, reasoning adult, in control over his or her behavior, and the age when one dies, are probably not strongly related to each other. The fact that we - in general - live longer, doesn't privilege us to behave like children longer.
- Prunetacos