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One day, I hope we stop concerning ourselves so much with how people feel. This self esteem boosting weakens people in the long run.
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I think what concerns me is that more and more PNMs should be placed in the different sororities seems to reinforce the stereotype that NPC orgs are interchangeable, as if it's all one big sorority and each sorority is a different chapter within the big sorority. In reality, each sorority has it's own history and purpose, not to mention its own ethos. So, it's not surprising that it's not always a perfect fit. You know? (I don't know if that made sense!) |
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Yeah, it really sucks to see PNMs who are devestated, but many of them would have found a chapter that fit them if they hadn't listened to gossip or only considered "elite" chapters. That's why rotationals are required, so that you see EVERY chapter. But that doesn't keep some 18 year old from looking at them with an open mind. I feel that if PNMs were more prone to making their own judgements instead of following the peer pressure crowd, more would be happy. |
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Luckily our HQs are able to step back and try to work for Greek Life as a whole. On campus, panhel has to enforce the rules, and generally they get along just fine, but you don't lose your identity in some panhellenic org, because there isn't one. Does that make sense? On the national level, we all work together even though we are distinct. On the campus level, we're made to work together even though we are distinct. |
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The big problem I can see with this is getting screwed if you don't have an equal distribution among classes - i.e. all of a sudden one year half the sorority graduates. But I guess that happens sometimes anyway even w/ a regular quota system.
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One, I can't imagine how a chapter would operate with twice as many new members as returning members (as would be the case with MNO). Seriously, can you really fathom what a chapter of 40 would do with 80 new members? Two, if MNO has only 40 returning members, while ABC has twice that, I would be surprised if PNMs would view MNO as ABCs equal. While it would be nice for PNMs to have an open mind, not all of them do. And, it's likely that many would see MNO as inferior, simply because there aren't as many of them as there are ABC. Thus, it would be unlikely that MNO could even get 80 new members from formal recruitment alone. |
I still don't understand why some people are wondering why we should be concerned about brokenhearted PNMs!:confused: These women are our friends, our daughters, our sisters! And sure, some people wouldn't make good Greeks but they may not know that yet and all they can concentrate on at age 18 or so is the rejection.
If you or someone close to you has been hurt in recruitment, you understand what I mean. |
That's interesting, and I think that they've always done it that way. I was a bit "distracted" in college, always had big boyfriend drama going, so I really don't remember a lot of the details, but I do remember that some houses would have pretty small pledge classes (about 10 or so less than the average).
Also, I don't know if it's still the case, but because we had relatively large houses, you HAD to live in the house, but the numbers were also flexible because it also depended on how many Lincoln girls you had in each pledge class. So it also depended on the size of the sorority house, and how many you could house there. I really don't remember anybody who lived out of the house after freshman year, and if you were an upperclassman pledge, you had to move in at the semester if there was room (from graduation in December, usually). This is all a dim memory, but I've finally figured out why I really never could understand all the talk on here about total....but I figured I just wasn't paying attention. Sounds like a little of both! |
So at what point are new sororities asked to come onto campus? If houses are reaching quotas, and girls aren't getting bid then that means there is supply for another sorority. Whereas, if the total is changing, houses would keep getting bigger and bigger until they reach the point of not wanting more members. So in the case of Nebraska, is there ever a time when they see houses as being too big?
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You're talking about a sorority system that is OLD--meaning my chapter celebrated its centennial when I was in college over 20 years ago, and most chapters are a single greek letter. "New" sororities are ones that came on campus in the 30's or 40's. Those two have gone on and off campus a couple of times over the years, mostly with housing issues, I think. They were the only two that had "open rush" when I was in school, using the terms from the olden days.
I can't speak with any authority, though, I haven't lived there nor paid much attention to what is going on there for 20 years. The only thing I can say is that in an old system, change doesn't come easily. I look at the chapter websites and the ABC's still look like ABC's and the XYZ's still look like the XYZ's. |
chapters with a history of high return rates(a high percentage of girls wanting to return to their next party) have to release a higher percentage of pnms than those chapters whose return rates are not as high. this is done in the hopes that those pnms, who are released from the more "popular" chapters will hang around, accept the invitations that have been extended to them, and find a home.
of the campuses that i know that use this model, it has not hurt the chapters who have had to release more pnms early on. they are still making quota-couldn't say if more pnms are accepting bids overall. (this is why some of us encourage pnms to try to obtain recs. to as many sororities on their campuses as they can-it is difficult to get to know a lot about a young woman in 15 or 20 minutes- a rec. provides more info,including background info., clubs, activities, honors and might help keep the pnm off the early release list) |
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ETA: Our parties were 22-8-5-3, the current website says this year it will be 20-10-6-3. 20 to 10 is still a huge cut. |
I'm glad that Auburn has stretched out the rush week as well. When I was there, we did 14-9-5-3-2 and those 14 ice water teas were ALL in one day. It didn't help the PNMs who didn't yet know the sororities at all but then back in the day, AU was kind of set up for the people who had always known the campus, always known they'd be going there. It was like rush was set up for the sororities to quickly cut down to the women whom they were truly considering and they'd known who they were for ages.
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