I wouldn't consider him lame -- however I probably wouldn't date him, because I engage in some of those activities from time to time.

Not at all! Please send him over here to me!

Well at 21 I think it would be fine. If he was significantly older, then it would depend on whether he was a virgin by choice (character) or by default (personality).

I would think he was gay.

And if any girl tells you it's OK, ask for her picture.

-Rudey
--And that's the best advice you will get.

That's what I meant by my earlier post. Thank you for putting it better than I did.

LOL, in the case you hadn't caught on yet, I was talk about myself.


Ouch!

How is it possible to be too clean cut? And just because someone doesn't drink doesn't mean that they don't know how to have a good time...in fact, the fact they don't need anything extra to do so would say a lot. What are the "social responsibilities" of your job?

I know some people's jobs "require" them to host clients in bars/restaurants and if you're not having a beer with them, there's something wrong with that.

Not sure I agree, but I wouldn't be having that job myself.

Some people assume that those who DON'T drink are preachy about it. While I have my own feelings about alcohol, and those who need it to have fun, I pretty much keep it to myself unless asked.

I do think drug use is stupid, though I've seen good arguments for legalization. I've never felt the need to impair myself to either relax or have fun.

There are girls out there, and yes Rudey, attractive girls, who will find you attractive. You may be hanging out with the wrong crowd though...

Exactly. I've never really been flat out wasted before, I'm only a social drinker, and was a non-drinker up until my early twenties. I am in NO WAY a prude or too clean cut. I'm naturally an unhibited person, I don't need that much booze, if any, to act a fool, be outgoing, or do crazy things. It sucks to be stereotyped as some introverted party-pooper who does nothing but play chess and the violin on your weekend nights.

You do realize that you're the god wine, right? ;)

Oh Rudey - some WOMEN are looking for a man of conviction. :)

You might not have intended it, but this quote reveals a bit of why I personally would never date a guy who didn't drink. There seems to be a little high-and-mighty about the way you say "the fact they don't need anything extra to do so would say a lot." What, exactly, would it say? It seems you're implying that people who drink "need" to do so to have a good time. That in itself comes off as preachy to me.

As for the virgin thing, again, not my cup of tea, but I'm sure some women would appreciate it.

There's a difference between those who drink socially and have fun, and those who feel they HAVE to drink to have fun... or to meet guys or whatever.

The first is not a problem, and I think most would agree that the second is bad. Not drinking means you're definately NOT in that second category.

I don't consider myself a drinker, though when in Ireland and Italy I had to drink SOMETHING so I drank hard cider in the Irish pubs and red wine (only a little, I hate red wine) in Italy. Heck I even played circle of death with cider.


Non drinkers aren't bad people... nor are we more preachy. How many times have I had to listen to... "You Don't Drink? LOSER!" etc..

Actually that was in respose to this:

I don't think it makes me high and mighty because I don't drink but I find the purpose of doing so meaningless other than to have a good time. And all I'm saying is that I'm not dependant on alcohol to do so. If it is possible for a person who drinks to have a good time without doing so, then why drink?

You asked for people's personal opinions, and they're giving them to you, so what's the sense in arguing? If you don't want to hear the opinions, then don't ask :)

For me, the drug thing- well, that's a plus, as I think it would be for the majority of women.

The drinking- no so much a plus. I myself am not a big drinker, I have a few when I go out but I can't even remember the last time I was "drunk". However, nondrinkers (as a whole, because each person can of course be different) kind of bother me usually because they can tend to lecture, make fun of, or just be somewhat of an inconvenience. I don't want to be made to feel bad because i'm getting a drink with dinner. One of my best friends doesn't drink, but it's not an issue there. But then I went out on a few dates with a guy who was a nondrinker, and he was a pain in the ass.

The virgin- sorry, not for me and not for a lot of women this day and age. If it works for you, great, but it's a turn off to many women. I'm not going to judge your values, but can only say that it would be a turn off to me personally.

It's funny, because the guy who was also a nondrinker ended up also being a virgin (declared waiting for marriage- he was 26 when we went out), and was really preachy.

My intent isn't to argue but just to see where people with an alternative perspective are coming from. Plus, I was accused of sounding high and might and was simply explaining that I wasn't. Question to you: Why is the virgin thing a turn off?