I am an SAE at Texas and know many SAE's from UGA. For you to even mention the possibility of these drugs being found at the SAE house is extremely tasteless and wrong. That house was investigated and they found nothing. You are treading on hot water with that, and I am sure that members, alumni, and the like would be pretty damn upset that this kind of insinuation is being thrown around on the internet. That kid was obviously f----d up, he was doing heroin for Gods sake. Sure, there are plenty of people that drink and blow some coke every now and then, im guilty myself, but don't even try to pass some possibility that someone within the house was providing this dumbass with heroin and coke, or that it could easily be found or produced withing the compines of their house.

this is definately a risk management issue. risk management is not just throwing 'proper parties' and having noone die after frat parties at your house. It's about managing risk, such as alcohol and drugs, and how they affect your chapter and members. its about alcohol and drug education within a chapter and holding brothers and sisters accountable and looking out for one another.

i really hope that some of this kids brothers were trying to reach out to him and help him because a kid in his dorm knew he partied hard. i would hope his brothers could see it and would try to help him. the optimist in me knows they had to have been trying.

if you are doing heroin, chances are you are not going to keep it a secret with the exception of a few of your friends. i have talked to some of my friends that are sae's at georgia and they all said that he would have had his badge removed if they new that he was doing heroin.

That's not really what I was saying. I'm saying that marijauna is not addictive. And that if you do coke, heroin, etc. its not because you smoked pot. They arrested those kids b/c all drugs are lumped into one category by the DEA, which is wrong.

A. Watch your language. You're violating the terms of service which you signed when you joined GC. Play that game in other forums, but not in this one.

B. I didn't accuse anything, but said "maybe" even in the house. If drugs were present, it wouldn't be the first time for a fraternity and won't be the last. The comment was generic.

C. Where there's smoke, there is often fire. Chapter members where charged with some minor offenses. That does NOT mean that there is a problem at the house -- it also doesn't mean there isn't.

D. You should try thinking before you write. You just admitted to breaking the law in a public forum that anyone can read.

I'm happy to talk about any risk management issue -- which this is.

I understand. I think my daughter would say, though, that being around the culture can lead from use of one drug to use of another -- addictive or not.

Couldn't you say that about a lot of things? Like sex and rock & roll?

-Rudey
--Get it? Sex, drugs, and rock & roll!

Got it.

Sure you could. That's the point. Simply because one thing isn't physically addictive doesn't mean it won't have adverse effects on other people.

While there have been many studies Pro and Con, it is still beleived that one drug can lead to another.

So for a Brother SAE from another Chapter to say that He has talked to Brothers from another Chapter does not mean it was not true, with a maybe or could be happening within the confines of a building called the house.

Fact: It happened.

Fact: The Young Man is Dead.

Rudey, My Man are You getting More Sex because You listen to Rock and Roll?:D

Oh My!

A. Play what game? what are you talking about? I have said nothing that violates any law, so I can really say whatever I want. You cannot violate my use of free speech, as I have said nothing that promotes violence or can cause harm or alarm to anyone. I am 21 years old and can speak however I choose. The fact that you morons would allow a 14 year old to be on a Greek Life website is ridiculous.

B. That house has been cleared of any wrongdoing, which was established a while ago. For you to insinuate anything is pretty low. Rumors get started easily and you are fueling the fire by saying anything about SAE involvement.

C. I did not admit to breaking any law, maybe YOU should read a little better. I said that there were people that drank and blew coke, I said I was guilty myself, I didn't say I did one or the other or both. Do I care that anyone can see this board? No. I have a double major in political science and legal studies, I nobody can do anything to me for saying that I drank or did drugs. I could walk up to a cop and say "hey I blew coke last week." and he couldn't do anything about it. Maybe you should get a better hold of the legal system before you accuse me of breaking the law.

D. You have a kid? what are you 40? why are you on here? that is really creepy if you asked me. I've got news for you bud. anyone that still lives in their glorious fraternity days when they are middle aged has some serious issues.

E. Just because you are around drugs does not mean that you are going to start doing them. Pot smokers don't just decide that they are gong start doing coke and heroin.

(a) Free speech is not absolute in this site. The mod can and has deleted or edited people's post. For instance, I've deleted a lot of your posts over at the news forum.

(b) By being a member of this website, you have agreed to the term and condition, which will be enforced by the Mods and John. That is absolute. If your speech is deemed in violation of the term and condition, by a mod or John, you will either be warned, your post deleted or edited, or be outright banned by John himself.

That is all. By the way, calling people names is not a proper way a 21 years old conduct himself. Especially one who is a "True Gentleman".

Well, I think for you to moderate what people can and cannot think and type is a **cking joke. (there is that better?) At what point did the right to think freely and have opinionated views become a problem? Its not a problem, simple as that. What is ridiculous is that you would allow 13/14 year old kids on here. I have not called anyone a name to my knowledge or said anything to harm anyone.

That is all. By the way, being a thirty year old and asserting your internet muscle on a Greek Life website is just plain sad. You AREN'T IN A FRATERNITY ANY MORE, MOVE ON, ITS OK......

Oh, thanks for pointing out that you know what the TG is, maybe next post you can type it out for me.

Since when is greekchat run by a government entity? That's the only way freedom of speech would be a proper defense for you, saetex.

Last time I checked, both DeltAlum and moe.ron were still members of their fraternities. You're the one who is looking like an idiot here. Greek membership is for life. Who the hell do you think donates money to keep your fraternity running and to build your house? Who runs the fraternity? Not undergrads, thank God.

You're a piece of work.

"That is all. By the way, being a thirty year old and asserting your internet muscle on a Greek Life website is just plain sad. You AREN'T IN A FRATERNITY ANY MORE, MOVE ON, ITS OK......"(saetex).

I am afraid sir are totally in the wrong.

I am older than 40 and am still very involved with MY Fraternity.

Maybe SAE doesnt beleive in being a Member for Life as many of ours do.

:confused:

I didn't say that you said anything against the law. I said that you had admitted to violating one.

There is no free speech issue. The First Amendment applies to the government restricting your free speech. This is a private bulletin board and you agreed to abide to the Terms of Service. I suggest you read them -- particularly the part regarding language and name calling. The fact is that you can be banned for not complying. I assume you have the opportunity to look up the First Amendment. You should do it. We've talked through this with a number of practicing attorneys who are alumni and members/moderators of Greek Chat.

Since we're comparing education, I don't have any majors, I have a degree in Communication with minors in Political Science, English and Speech.

Again, I made no insinuation about this chapter or the national fraternity -- simply a generic comment. It may be applied to any chapter of any Greek Letter Organization in the world -- including Delt chapters. That's unfortunate, but true.

By the way, a reading of the initial post would seem to indicate that the investigation is ongoing. I sincerely, hope that the chapter is in the clear, but until the investigation is over anything could turn up. I don't ever want to see any chapter in trouble.

When you say you are guilty of something, that's pretty much admitting you have done it. I wouldn't advise walking up to a cop and saying that you do illigal things. He/she might not be able to arrest you on the spot, but can certainly start an investigative process you might not be comfortable with.

In fact, I have three children. There are lots of parents on GC. I, like a number of other alumni who believe in the oath we took that says we are members of our organization for life are on this board. Many of us as moderators. Many of us are also former or present chapter, regional or national advisors and officers of our organizations. Few others find that "creepy." Some even value the results of our continuing experience.

In terms of being around drugs having a cause and effect on whether a person will do drugs themselves depends entirely on the person involved. It won't happen to everyone, but it will to some. Our middle daughter started out on grass and ended up on Cocaine. Thankfully, she realized what whe was doing to herself and got into Detox and got herself squared away and has been sober for over five years. I feel pretty close to this topic due to that experience.

The topic of this forum is Risk Management which covers a lot of ground. These things (not necessarily this forum) are important to the survival of the Greek System as we know it. It is a place for reporting, ideas and comments about real and potential problems. It is not for finger pointing. The problem is that type -- black and white on a computer -- is flat and often doesn't convey vocal characteristics and can be easily misinterpreted -- as is the case with my comment about chapters.

Finally, please read the top three threads in this forum, as well as the Terms of Service for the board itself. I am happy to see debate, and take part in it, but under the rules and using respectful language. Because of that, I left your posts in the thread -- otherwise, I would have simply deleted them.

If you can abide by the rules, you are most welcome to add to the thread.