Forty years later, that Indiana journalism training still paying dividends.

PS: Show me a 40-man chapter on a campus with several 100-man chapters, and their biggest trophy this year will be for blood donation.

Show me a 30-man chapter, and I'll show you their empty house in about two years.

33girl, you know I respect you, and believe you to be wise in all things. So I'll bow out here.

I'd have to completely agree with CoraMoor. At my university (University of Arizona, big school) the biggest fraternity on campus is Kappa Sigma. Not that I am ragging on Kappa Sig WHATSOEVER, but on MY campus, they have a reputation pretty horrible reputation among every other fraternity on campus. They have huge parties and get wasted which in turn puts them in the paper at least once a month under the "arrests" section, they play in IM but don't win much, they're among the lowest avg. GPA among Greek life here on campus...Not saying that this is true everywhere, but where I come from, the biggest house on campus is definitely not the best. There are over 200 men in that house; when I rushed there in the Fall the first words out of the brother's mouth (on the tour) was "If you guys wanna get drunk and party every fuckin' night, PLEDGE KAPPA SIG!" It wasn't exactly a classy place... DTD is a relatively small house (80 men) and I won't claim to be the best, but we keep our GPAs up, are very popular among the Sorrority houses - compete well in IM... I guess the point here is that most campuses have different experiences. I think it's great that we can all relate here, but it's a mistake to try to make one generalization (big v. small) - every campus will be different.

there is some empirical data provided by the NIC (can't seem to find it though on their website) where they did a study on the relation of size to behavioral problems, academic performance, and overall campus influence and reputation. The study found that there was correlation between being bigger and performing at a higher level.

I can't find the information, but I do remember seeing it somewhere. This would help answer g41965's initial question about size correlating with fraternity performance. Can anyone help?

I gotta agree with Firehouse and Hoosier on this one.

PS, I thought KS at Arizona got booted? I visited the Beta house when I was down there in 1996 (I think), when Kappa Sig built their new house...pretty nice looking pad. But, since then, I thought they were axed?!

Nope. Sigma Chi and Pi Kappa Alpha got kicked off campus in 2003 as well as Delta Chi in 2002. Where the Sigma Chi house was is now a parking lot. KS is still there.

Here's the link to UofArizona chapter recognization status

http://www.union.arizona.edu/csil/greek/recognition.php

Pike is coming back in the not so distant future though correct? I spoke with a pretty prominent alum from that chapter, and although he was very upset about the chapter losing recognition, he told me the school and fraternity were working on coming back.

I think Sigma Pi resides in the old Pike house now? Or was it someone else?

I would say the bigger chapters are the ones that lead on campus. They tend to have swaps with all sororities, better grades (although not always true because Delta Psi at Ole Miss has excellent grades and they are not a 100+ sized chapter), they tend to participate more in other events on campus because they do have more members to do this.

A few of our smaller chapters are still really good fraternities, i.e. Delta Psi, Beta Theta Pi, DKE, it just depends I guess on what you are looking for in a fraternity.

One of my good friends from Cincinnati is a Kappa Sig at UA, and yeah, from what he says, you're dead on. All he talks about is getting wasted at the house and having parties and breaking stuff...

Per the UofArizona chapter recognization status page, Pike is eligible for expansion as of Jan. 2006 (now). Haven't heard anything though about them coming back. Yes, Sigma Pi now resides in the facility that was the Pike's.

Yup. Delta Chi was booted in '02 for Hazing. KS is sort of a joke on campus here at UA - unless all you want to do is get wasted. It's different at every campus I suppose.

What does Delta Chi and Kappa Sig have anything to do with what she posted?

In my 24 man chapter, we just tied to win Best Alumni Relations along with 90-man Sigma Chi. The trophy they made this year looks like we won a Euro Soccer Tourney. We've been -30 the whole four years I've been in DSP, and we're still at SDSU and definitely aren't in the most danger of closing around here.

We also were very instrumental in our pairing winning Homecoming. We've finished in the top 5 in IFC GPA the last four semesters. We don't get a hundred sorority girls partying at our house every weekend, but that's not an issue with me with five months left.

We've been the most diverse house (I believe the majority of the house are minorities), and I couldn't see my lower-class big brown ass being accepted socially, especially as a BROTHERHOOD, in any other house. In a world of kids with their heads up their asses and their hand's in daddy's wallet, I wouldn't want to be in any other house but Delta Sig, at least at SDSU.

There's no way I could handle having cancer if I was in any other house. If having 24 guys, good times with only those I care about, and none of that petty Greek BS means we're a weak chapter, then there's nothing I can say that'll change your mind.

I acknowledge you're not attacking anyone in particular hoosier, but I disagree that having the most members as the determining factor.

ETA: I know most houses aren't like this, but I've had plenty of experience with certain organizations to know how many feel about thier greek peers who are from less-fortunate, more humble circumstances.

That's the difference.

Even on my campus where the largest frat doesn't break 70, the smaller chapters (around 20 or so) have problems.

I still have an issue with the guys saying that bigger = better. The biggest here also has among the lowest grades, bad participation, and do well in only a handful of Intermurals out of all the events.

I was agreeing with what she said, and adding information about the previous topic...:rolleyes: