Ummm...

so you're saying, you have membership selection? You only give bids to selected people? You do not give everyone who wants to pursue membership the chance to pursue it?

Whoooooooooooooooo boy.

While it is against APO's National Policy, APO also recognizes that school policy will overrule their policies.

SO, if the SCHOOL requires that their APO Chapter be part of their IFC, it is. APO National will not make an issue of it.

If people disagree with it, well, you need to convence the school to change. (most schools put APO in with the various clubs, along with the professional GLOs).

In APO, we do Rush to recruite pledges. Some chapters do bids, some don't. For most chapters, we give everyone a change to pursue membership. But they still must complete our pledge program. Its not automatic that you will be able to pledge and become a member. Fail to met the requirements, and you won't get in.

I think I recall doing this once, a long time ago. We only did this because we wanted to weed out wackjobs. It was obvious who they were.

I think she has no right being in that position of leadership.....

There is no way she can make decisions on "Greek life" that affects the brotherhood of organizations when she is not one!

it appears to me that if apo, an organization with a coed membership, becomes a member of the interfraternity council, made up of solely male membership, then the integrity of male only membership has been compromised and those male only fraternities won't have a leg to stand on if a woman seeks membership.this is the reason most fraternities and sororities do not have honorary big brothers or little sisters anymore. perhaps the university does not understand they are creating many potential problems. either that, or they just don't care.

That's what I mean. Everyone has a chance to pursue membership, but not everyone is successful in that pursuit.

But her post sounded like they do not give everyone a chance and instead vote on who they do or do not allow to pledge...which to me pretty much violates what I was taught is a very basic tenet of our organization.

If I had known we were allowed to pick and choose, my senior year would have been much easier. :rolleyes:

T, I was wondering when you would come to play in this thread. :p

Excuse me, but APO is as much "Greek" as the general GLOs, and we have the concept of brotherhood as well. The only real difference is we don't own houses. And on many campuses, the socials don't either.

We don't know what campus life is at this school. If none of the social/general GLOs have homes, the administration may not see much difference between APO, the socials, the professionals, etc.

Let's not get our panties in a wad over this...

but with apo, the lines blurr, because they have coed membership. ifc is for male organizations and panhellenic for female organizations. that is my problem with the young woman serving as ifc president. all greek president-yes, ifc or panhellenic president-no.

So could she serve as Panhel president, by those definitions?

I'm not sure why possessing a pair of boobs makes you unfit to govern a particular council.

LMAO, I almost didn't open this thread...

no s & s, reread my post. ifc-no, panhell-no, all greek-yes. it has nothing to do with boobs or balls, it is that the boobs and balls are in the same org-thus making it coed, not single sex.

I guess I just don't see the problem.

The national organization, at least in this case, approves.
The school approves.
The Greek advisor probably approves, or would have put a stop to it.
The IFC obviously approves since they are the ones that appointed her (at least that's how IFC works at my school).

If APO is on IFC, then their members have just as much of a right as anyone to serve positions on IFC. In fact, they SHOULD be serving positions on it.

I don't think nearly as many people would have issues with it if she was a guy who belonged to APO.

The only thing that I see as being up for debate is whether or not this APO chapter really needs to be on IFC considering that they have an all-Greek council there -- but I'm assuming that that's something that they debated and made a decision on, and that they made that decision for good reasons.

I don't care about an APO being on IFC, but I think this statement is not accurate. I don't mean that APO isn't "as much Greek" or that it doesn't have "the concept of brotherhood" -- it is a completely different type of organization, whether the "socials" are housed or not.

There's a panhell and an IFC at that school?

You gotta be kidding me.

The only Greeks I can see surviving at a commuter school in Queens are the NPHC members.

-Rudey