we have no gays, are the top tier at UT, and have no problem with girls coming over.

I agree, there are no chapters with open homosexuals on my campus, and we're probably one of the top schools in the country for greek life....that being said, regarding the comment of accepting a brother for who he is... I can see what you're saying if the brother comes out. However, if it is in the bidding/pledging process, he's not my brother anyway.

couldn't have said it better. he's not my brother till he makes it all the way through. i just love when people criticize you on here for not promoting gays in your own chapter or not giving them bids. its the same as top chapters not giving bids to blacks or minorities. fraternities are privagte organizations and secret societies....we don't have to give a bid to anyone, nor are we at any legal fault for not doing so. its the same as not allowing women to be members of Augusta National

And the fact is, people think its just racism, or just homophobia. Granted, I think homosexuality is wrong, but there is far more to it than that. Fraternities should be groups of men with common ideals and interests. I generally do not share common interests with the large majority of black men on my campus, nor do I share many interests or ideals with gays.

Hmm, just wondering, many say that once a gay individual becomes a member, it would be ok because they're already a member.

But wouldn't you feel slightly tricked & betrayed if after the fact (after all you've gone through to bond & get to know each other), you find out that you're new brother or sister is homosexual (or bisexual)?

And even then, doesn't that mean you shared common ideals & interests EXCEPT which sex you wish to spend the rest of your life with?

Well I guess it depends on the person, but liking girls is a pretty popular interest in my fraternity.

Another issue that having an openly gay brother in your fraternity comes with hazing.

Whether your chapter hazes or not, when freshman rush they rush with the pre-conceived notion that they are going to be hazed. No matter how little or how much your chapter's reputation is for hazing, guys do expect it because of the stereotypes that fraternities have.

Now, if I was rushing a fraternity with an openly gay brother, my first thought is going to be...what if the gay brother tries to haze me in that way.

Again, before some idiot starts yelling about how wrong I am-I am simply saying how many freshman are going to view the situation.

The end effect is that it is going to cripple your recruitment. Maybe on your campus the top frats/sororities do have openly gay memebers and then again maybe we have different standards as to what qualifies a chapter being the best.

Are you fucking joking?

Good lord I'm glad I live in the South.

no kidding

That's funny. What that poster was describing occurs at quite a few Southern campuses.

Solution: Fraternities should stop recruiting village idiots. Not necessarily you, but those freshmen.

"Liking boys" is probably more popular than you know. Men aren't automatically heterosexual just because they talk about "liking girls" or having sex with "girls."

The overarching theme in this discussion is how young and stereotypically "fratboyish" some of you sound. ;)

Well its not a pevalent theme in our chapter or any of my friend's chapters here or at different schools. Just because a bunch of fruity Betas want to pledge a bunch of homos doesn't mean that other fraternities should be bunched in the same group. Also, I don't know any guys who talk about banging girls that are not heterosexual. I think shinerbock is in the same situation that I am in.

Furthermore, I am young and in a top fraternity and I really don't give a flying f*uck what you have to say about it. However, The fact that I don't condone some fag being given a bid on issues ranging from moral to practical doesn't make me stereotypical

Is that you starang? Or are you also incapable of putting multiple quotes into one post?