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"One woman told police she only remembered having one drink."
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But she is a creditable witness that she was at a fraternity house?

Understood. That may be a reportage problem, though. I don't see the police spokesperson pointing to the GLO's unless they have evidence of some kind.

With Co. Un. mishandleing many things, this is just another nail in a coffin.

It really doesnt make a damn who was at fault or implied, it still shows up on the News Media.

You can argue till Your are blue in the face, it is a problem and no one really seems to be able to work with it.

If The Adm. keeps mismanaging their whole programs such as Greeks and Sports Venues, then Just close the School. Well, not really, but get a change of Management in there who can work with and have enuff balls to do it!

Greeks can be a very important part of any Campus to be sure.
But, The Un. Of Co. is a total cluster F***! And, as they go being the Flag Ship Un. of the State, others feel that they can get away with it too!

It is a Co. Snow Ball running down the Mountain and killing Greeks there.

There needs to be some changes there and I guess You know what I reccommend!

The Colorado Daily mentions that memory of one drink as an element in the investigation: police say they will be asking for tox reports to be released to see if date-rape drugs were involved, although it sounds like there's only a "slight chance" of drugs:

According to Julie Brooks, public information officer for the Boulder Police Department . . . .

"It's under investigation just because it's unusual for us to have so many girls end up in the hospital," said Brooks.

Brooks said that drugs, commonly known as "date-rape drugs," might have played a role in the hospitalization of the women.
"We do have one woman who said that she only remembers having one drink and then remembers waking up in the ambulance," she said. "That's really the only one right now, that because of her comments and that she can only recall having one drink, that appears like there could be any merit to that."

. . . Brooks said even though there is a slight chance drugs played a part in the event, it is more likely it is alcohol-related. However, she continued, when the results from the toxicology tests are produced, the women will need to release their medical records to the police to determine whether or not drugs were found in their systems.

http://www.coloradodaily.com/article...lder/news1.txt

I think many of you are not using your critical thinking skills.

Any admission to the emergency room for alcohol, is alcohol poisoning. Even if they release you in a few hours.

OBviously the alcohol poisoning we think about is the life threatening one, and honestly is usually pretty fatal.

Other types of alcohol poisoning . . well most of us call it a really bad hang over . . its when we tell God we will never drink again if he only he spares us from the awful sick feeling.

Also, its common for police to take a person who is intoxicated to the point of being impaired to the emergency room . . . its a liability issue for them. What if something happened to you?

I know many ER personel that have complained about police doing that . . because most times the person goes home in a few hours with an awful hangover.

Further, many college administrations are now emphasizing that people should definitely take their friend to the ER if they are exhibiting signs of excessive drinking:

Slurring words. Not making sense. Falling down. Passing out at 4am. Irresponsible behavior. Etc.

Thats guarenteed to make inexperienced people want to take their friends to the ER. If we had taken everyone we saw in that state to the ER . . well that would have been a lot of people.

OH! And no none ever died. However, some had really bad hang overs.

Damn people . . grow up and think a little please?

Percentage wise, 15 shots isn't going to kill an adult woman. however, it might make her friendlier.

b/c I like to prove James's point
 

One of my former band buddie was a bar two weeks ago and she was there with some so-called friends, not best friends, but more of acquitances. She hadn't ate much all day but decided that tequila sunrises were her friend.

Now nobody can actually document how many she had that evening. But being a very poor grad student I believe the number, along with her tolerance, would be low.

There's been a lot of talk about "drunk behavior" with the recent death of a UK athlete. And each sorority/fraternity and large organizations are rallying behind these meetings the university has been having. Ours is next week, woohoo!

But anyway, at some point in the night one of the bar staffers said "that girl is way too drunk" after my friend had puked in the bathroom. She then became dehydrated and dry heaving. Her "friend" decided it best with the bar staffers to call the ambulance and take her to the nearest hospital.

Now this only is in agreeance with James BECAUSE once there the hospital staff concluded "nope, not alcohol poisoning" and "just drunk". She was taken home an hour after arrival.

The sucky part of this story is like most females my friend did not bring a purse, only her license and college id. So the hospital billed her parents in full for her 1 hour "she's not got alcohol poisoning".

Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be careful. But sometimes certain people need to watch and not overact. Because in reality, that's what got one of our athletes killed over a month ago.

According to an article in the Rocky Mountain News it looks like the people who did some of the reporting / 911 calling included a guy on IFC party patrol duty and friends/sorority sisters of women in Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...115391,00.html

Find a BAC calculator online, put in 15 of any drinks (I did screwdrivers, because shots of tequila weren't an option) over 4 hours for a woman who is 150 pounds (and that's a higher weight for college women) and you get a BAC of .359, which puts you between :
0.30 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will lose conciousness.
0.40 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will become comatose and may die.

I'd say it's valid to take someone to the hospital at this point. If she's a petite girl of 110 pounds, then you're at .40. 15 drinks, 4 hours.

If it's a male of 170 pounds, then you're talking .288. Big difference.

Point is, 15 drinks can kill a woman.

Better to be safe than sorry.

The hospitals report many more cases that weekend than "normal" ones. Your argument(s) sould apply to all weekends, so there was still more hospital activity.

The program given earlier may or may not have had an effect on the number. There's no way to know. If it did, that's probably good.

At least seven of the nine women were allegedly at the same two fraternity parties. If that gun isn't smoking, it's at least pointing toward the two groups.

The thought of possible drugs had occurred to me when I read about the woman who could "only remeber" having one drink, but it's way to early to point that finger without further investigation.

Sorry, James. I can't agree with you on this one. It doesn't really matter how you define alcohol poisoning, some problems arose out of these parties and an unusual number of women for a given area/university ended up in the ER.

Re: b/c I like to prove James's point
 

They should be able to refile the claim and have it paid by her parents' insurance if she's still on it. They need to ask the HR director at their workplace for help on this.

/insurance tip

As to AGDee's calculations -- news reports say that at least one of the women had blood alcohol of .3. That sounds reasonably serious. A 911 tape that's been released is a call from the Delta Gamma house saying that a member is passed out on the floor and the caller can't wake her up, which sure doesn't sound good either.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...40/detail.html

Incidentally, some of the news reports say the party at the Sigma Pi house was "invitation only" with two sororities. I'm not sure exactly what the arrangement was, but it may be interesting to see if it turns out that this was essentially a jointly-planned mixer of some kind. In other words, is this possibly one of those situations where the headlines say "fraternity party" but a sorority was a partner in the party arrangements? I'm not saying it was, but it may be worth watching as the story unfolds.





















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Excerpted from the Rocky Mountain News...

"Frats vote to ban parties
CU groups make decision after reports that students needed medical attention

By Sarah Langbein, Rocky Mountain News
September 28, 2005

University of Colorado fraternities voted Monday night to prohibit parties at their houses, after reports that nine co-eds needed medical attention after heavy drinking at two of their parties.

At least seven of the young women, ages 18 and 19, were hospitalized early Saturday. At least one had a blood-alcohol level of 0.3 percent, said Ryan Lynch, internal vice president of the Interfraternity Council, who said he reviewed police reports...

...The news comes just one year after CU student Lynn "Gordie" Bailey and Colorado State University student Samantha Spady drank themselves to death. It also comes less than a month after CSU disciplined eight Greek houses for parties known as "Rise and Ralph..."

...Just before 1 a.m. Saturday, Lynch said he placed the first call to 911. He and other members of IFC were patrolling fraternity house parties to ensure regulations were being followed.

They looked for sober brothers, checked for the availability of nonalcoholic beverages and scanned the crowds for intoxicated partygoers, just as they do on any weekend. At Sigma Pi, all seemed to be in order, Lynch said.

But when he stepped outside, he witnessed a member of the Delta Gamma sorority fall and cut her chin.

"She was clearly intoxicated," he said. "And speaking with (her friends) it was clear she needed medical help."

Lynch called 911.

Then a second emergency call came from Delta Gamma, which said a member was passed out in the lobby of the sorority house. (DeltAlum adds: other reports say that sorority sisters were unable to wake her up)

While police and medics were attending to her, they were alerted to an intoxicated woman at Alpha Phi, a sorority on the same street.

As police began to piece together the drunken evening, they learned the women attended parties at Sigma Pi and Phi Kappa Tau. Then, they learned of three more women who already had been taken to the hospital, Brooks said. It was unclear whether they had a sorority affiliation or whether they'd been to the fraternity parties, Brooks said.

The night didn't end there. Campus police told city officers they attended to two intoxicated women on campus. Then, yet another 911 call was made, this time by a worried roommate. Police responded to a private home in the 2900 block of East Aurora Avenue, where another member of Delta Gamma was intoxicated, police said...

...The parties at Sigma Pi and Phi Kappa Tau began Friday night.

At Sigma Pi, it was an invitation-only get-together with sororities Delta Gamma and Kappa Kappa Gamma. Bring your own beer, guests were told. Partygoers said IDs were checked at the door and wristbands were distributed to those of legal age to drink. Cans of beer were served from behind the bar. Cases of bottled water were available. (DeltAlum adds: Sounds like they did some things right)

At Phi Kappa Tau, the theme was "Heaven or Hell." Women in scantily clad devil and angel outfits arrived at the fraternity house. Fraternity members patrolled the front door. Beer and hard alcohol were consumed.

Marc D. Stine, Greek advocate at CU, spoke with members of both fraternities after the parties. He learned that individual frat brothers at Sigma Pi provided alcohol to minors, and at Phi Kappa Tau the party became unmanageable. There was no control of the front door, Stine said.

By Monday, rumors circulated that the women were slipped the date rape drug. Police denied those allegations but said it would be part of their investigation because one young woman reported having only one drink before becoming highly intoxicated. None of the women reported being sexually assaulted, Brooks said...

...Lynch, the IFC vice president, said his organization is frustrated with the weekend events. Just four days before the parties, members of the CU Greek system crowded Mackey Auditorium to listen to a talk about hazing and responsible alcohol consumption.

"We thought we made significant strides forward, and we have," Lynch said. "And then this."

The frustration resulted in a Monday night vote to keep parties out of fraternity houses, at least until the end of the semester, so that third-party venues, such as bars, can better monitor alcohol consumption, Stine said."

Actually I think you are right on this point . . an adult male that drinks 15 shots is probably just havingn a great time.

Updated
 

Listened to KOA radio discuss this yesterday, and they had the Panhel President on - she stated this was a BYOB party as well, which doesn't excuse the behavior, but does point the finger away from the fraternities to a certain (but not absolute) extent.

Secondly, after the news announcement that all IFC fraternities were self-imposing a ban, news is out that CU told IFC to ban parties as well.

I also had a good discussion in my morning class about this - some UNC greeks are in my class. Apparently this phenomenon is becoming more popular due to the better taste of hard alcohol drinks, which in their and my opinion, makes drinking hard alcohol all the more dangerous.

The radio hosts were perplexed as to why this is happening more and more often - callers were trying to explain that part of it is the goal of drinking these days: to get as hammered as possible and to get puking drunk, because that is "cool" :eek:

Others stated it is the rebellious nature of teens/young adults to "one-up" the previous generation - but, to what extent do you want to "one-up" yourself? To death? It's very concerning.

Not to mention the "it can't happen to me" mentality that I see in my students attitudes - but, that is changing thanks to this CU incident.

Education and awareness is not working, folks. Cracking down harder on the greek system is not working. This problem is getting worse, if anything. Any other ideas on how to stop this?