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Perhaps you should be less patronizing.

If you are referring to the fact that most americans don't care about this woman's name being revealed, I agree with you it is a small issue.

But the fact is that Bush MADE it a big deal. He and his own spokespeople talked about what a major leak this was, how it compromised national security, how it was illegal and how it would not be stood for in the white house. I'm sorry but the president's spokesperson said that "at a minimum" any person who was involved in the leak would be fired.

Furthermore, the fact is that there is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that this was done in retaliation for dissent. That's a very serious allegation, and, now that it is clear that the leak didn't come from some lackey, it is even more disturbing. One of the President's closest allies went out and ended the career of a CIA operative, who had contacts and relationships which were lost, because they didn't like her husband's public opinion. What kind of message and values does that reflect?

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Originally posted by HelloKitty22
Perhaps you should be less patronizing.

If you are referring to the fact that most americans don't care about this woman's name being revealed, I agree with you it is a small issue.

But the fact is that Bush MADE it a big deal. He and his own spokespeople talked about what a major leak this was, how it compromised national security, how it was illegal and how it would not be stood for in the white house. I'm sorry but the president's spokesperson said that "at a minimum" any person who was involved in the leak would be fired.

Furthermore, the fact is that there is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that this was done in retaliation for dissent. That's a very serious allegation, and, now that it is clear that the leak didn't come from some lackey, it is even more disturbing. One of the President's closest allies went out and ended the career of a CIA operative, who had contacts and relationships which were lost, because they didn't like her husband's public opinion. What kind of message and values does that reflect?

Because you obviously have no clue I will repost:

No it's not.

Perhaps you should read some of the commentary that's out there that considers this to be minor to the American people and possibly even hurtful to Democrats if they try and politicize it.

There will be an investigation and if something comes out, then so be it.

-Rudey

I am sorry but I think it is really rude and inappropriate that you insult and patronize people when they post a legitimate thought or opinion which you don't agree with.
No matter how many inflamatory things you post I have never once insulted you like that. Your behavior is really disrespectful, and you should think about the way your posts reflect on whatever organization you represent.

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Originally posted by HelloKitty22
I am sorry but I think it is really rude and inappropriate that you insult and patronize people when they post a legitimate thought or opinion which you don't agree with.
No matter how many inflamatory things you post I have never once insulted you like that. Your behavior is really disrespectful, and you should think about the way your posts reflect on whatever organization you represent.

Legitimate?

Nothing was inflammatory.

And given that I consider myself top-notch, that bodes very well for my org.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by moe.ron
What is that supposed to mean?

C'mon now, a little sarcasm never hurt anybody! ;)

I've just encountered a few too many people who assume that all conservatives just blindly follow the administration without question. Um, no. I wouldn't think that all Democrats agreed 100% with everything Clinton did, and it's likewise for Bush.

From my understanding, the whole purpose of the CIA is to BE covert whether they're actually overseas or not. I could be wrong though. They only way to not be covert is to retire or quit completely from the CIA. In order to completely seperate oneself from the CIA, the person does not contact their "contacts" while actively seeking info for CIA purposes.

Good article on what Rove might face if he is prosecuted.

Link to the Article

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Originally posted by HelloKitty22 1.
My understanding was that she was on covert status (the fact that she wasn't oversees on assignment is irrelevant)....

2.Bush said that he would fire anyone in the administration who he found to be a source of the leak and clearly Rove was.

Victoria Toensing & Bruce Sanford op-ed...

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1. At the threshold, the agent must truly be covert. Her status as undercover must be classified, and she must have been assigned to duty outside the United States currently or in the past five years. This requirement does not mean jetting to Berlin or Taipei for a week's work. It means permanent assignment in a foreign country. Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as "covert."

The law also requires that the disclosure be made intentionally, with the knowledge that the government is taking "affirmative measures to conceal [the agent's] relationship" to the United States. Merely knowing that Plame works for the CIA does not provide the knowledge that the government is keeping her relationship secret. In fact, just the opposite is the case. If it were known on the Washington cocktail circuit, as has been alleged, that Wilson's wife is with the agency, a possessor of that gossip would have no reason to believe that information is classified -- or that "affirmative measures" were being taken to protect her cover.

2. If President Bush finds out that anyone within the administration acted illegally, maybe you'll see someone submit a letter of resignation. i doubt that anyone involved broke the law, but we're aren't privy to all of the information yet. it'll be instresting to see what Bob Novak writes about this when he can.

Recalling all of the GC rhetoric during the elections, I keep wondering where the "Bush Flip-Flops" thread is.

Rove screwed up. Secretly, I hope he goes to jail.

Plame will be ok. She'll sign a multi-million dollar book deal. She'll land on her feet now that her cover is blown.

I dont know what kinda spy she was anyway. I'd think a 6ft. tall blond white woman asking a bunch of questions would stand out in Dar es Salaam.

lifesaver, Yes, Yes, and Yes on the damn book deal!\\

Rove has already been admited as the Snitch and that is waht He is a snitch=Rat.:mad: Oh isnt there another Rat, Libby?:mad:

They should be Prosecuted to the fullest. This is above and beyond the call of duty to G W Bush.:eek: Bush should seperate Himself first off unless He is and Idiot!:rolleyes: Dah!:rolleyes:

Placing someones life in danger to be a Good Old Boy Of the Organization, why was Nixon gone as a President?

This is throwing The People and The Country out of the window to be the Head Cheese in charge. Is it really that important and egotistical to have Your Minions do this and get away with it?:confused: