I agree. Follow the law. I trust that the people who are handling the NME are mature about the situation. I am simply saying that if you have stupid kids running a NME program, then OF COURSE you will have problems, and I am sure that happens but I trust in a chapters selection of the NME team that they have been educated on how teach lessons and I don't mean pushing limits through violence physical or mental.

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I am finishing my junior year.

That is funny you say that. Because I agree with the sentiment, a brother once told me that the real pledging begins when you are brother. He was refering to running programs, managning the chapter, balancing everything, and still all the while having fun and continuing the grow. I agree this process is a lifetime of learning. The pledging process is a starting place. That is my belief.

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That is exactly what I am talking about. These are skill that take a life time to master, and I believe NME is good place to hone this skills/tools.

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I am not sure if this is an insult. But I wasn't hazed. I simply commenting on what I have read. EVERYONE says they don't haze, yet it happens, no? My chapter doesn't haze. But those are just words, what else can an organzation do, I stand wholeheartly with them - WE DO NOT AND WILL NOT HAZE. I am sorry that you feel some way against my org.
Honestly this comment has me lost. LOL.

Wrussell, I think you've had a continual case of "foot in mouth" disease. It doesn't seem to be on purpose, but you're really rubbing some folks the wrong way around here it seems. It might be best for you to take a step back. And in some cases, just let things go (not speaking of this thread in particular).

???? I am so lost. I thought this was a method for intelligent discussion. I think this thread has it. I think in some others I have read have it. What do you mean foot in mouth? I don't understand why I rub people the wrong way? Why is it that I have to let things go? Other people can too. I am not even angry or upset or anything. I just wanted to discuss certain things that I have a great interest in. Can someone just come out and tell me intelligently what I am doing wrong? That is all. But thank you Kddani for let me know that I am rubbing people the wrong way, I seriously don't mean to do it.

Read some of the comments previously written, the whole comment. Then read them again and think about what they say. Your responses did not address the meat of your replies.

Also search and see what other threads have or what nat'l websites say about their programs. Then come back.

Read all the comments. I don't know exactly what you are getting at? My whole purpose for this post was to see what people think about NME versus the old way of doing things. I think that national programs are great. I think everyone is different in their reception of what they feel helps them the best. But if there is something I missing please let me know, thank you.

Well first i've read your posts in a thread in one of the BGLO forums where you started it asking what appears to have been a VERY inappropriate question. Instead of apologizing and walking away, you kept at it and have continued to try to battle it out. You keep on trying to explain but in reality you just need to zip it and move on, having learned your lesson. You gotta know when to quit.

I don't see what you're even looking for here in this thread. I've never seen a single person on this board advocate "pledging people to near death because it make it seem like the worked for their letters and others didn't?".

All of our orgs, at least the national/international ones, have very specific policies against hazing and have very extensive policies and programs to combat it. The kind of hazing you're speaking of is also against the law. There are no real arguments in favor of it. What on earth are you looking for people to say?

A great example of how you can rub people the wrong way on here is to not bother to take the time to educate yourself by learing about groups in general or by using the SEARCH feature here on GC to read similar threads. If you have something new, unique, thought-provoking or whatever to bring up, then great! However, this thread topic has been discussed in great detail elsewhere and is pretty much an obvious sort of question. I'm really not trying to be harsh here, just trying to explain to you why people are reacting to you the way they are :)

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What has you lost?

You want to redefine hazing and making pushing people beyond their limits acceptable. You give yourself as an example (you must be the next great thing).

I want you to push your pledges as hard as you can and make sure to wear your letters and to say you are a latina/latino org and that others don't want to do what you do.

If what you're saying is fine, then you shouldn't see what I wrote as an insult. You should be proud of your letters and your pledge process and want to distinguish yourself from other groups.

-Rudey

Ok...WOW....I think Rudey and Danille have me all wrong. LOL. I maybe I had a typo. I was trying to say that IT IS WRONG TO BEAT UP PEOPLE TO MAKE THE JOIN YOUR ORGANIZATION. That is how I feel honestly. I AGREE WITH THE LAW, I hope that it makes people turn to the right way of educating pledges. Such teaching them how to run an organization, how lead, how to better people, etc. I don't care how hard people pledge. HAZING IS COMPLETELY WRONG! It is more than ridiculous. LOL When i say push people to their limits, I DIDN'T MEAN PHYSICALLY...I am talking about helping them do better in school, I am talking about helping them think through situtations. Please, please, please understand - I am an advocate for NON-HAZING NME. I just wondered if most people where down with that same thing, because I have noticed that alot of people are more concerned with TRADITION and PRESTIGE than educated quality members.

Danille, I appriecate your explaination. Finally, someone gives it straight and intelligently. The reason I keep pushing was to apologize, but they wanted to attack me. But I am done. Honestly, it isn't that serious. Thanks again.

I didn't say you did or didn't do anything. What did I write that you hadn't written?

I am saying to do what you're talking about and make sure you publicize it's what you guys do. Simple, right?

If it's beating someone or bringing them flowers, I really don't care. We all seem to get lumped together just a little too much for my tastes when things go wrong and I want to create those lines of distinction to apply evenly when things go right or wrong.

-Rudey

wrussell, dont try to ask questions like this again on GC!:)

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I am 4 one am embarresed by some posters who call Ya out for asking and speaking your mind.

I think from what I have read are true questions and statements of what your feelings are.

Ignore some asses and keep asking quesrtions, and making statements.

You do seem a person of Integrity.:) PM Me anytime.

A Moderator who tries to be a Greek.

Oh, I have a round nose compared to others!:D

To hell with Pledging AND Membership Intake.

I am all over this "Continuous Values Based Education" thing like the Balanced Man program and others like it. I am very appreciative of those of you in NPC and NIC organizations who have shared those programs with us on GC.