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Originally posted by ktsnake
I think that the problems are largely cultural, but produced and perpetuated by socioeconomic factors more than anything else (or am I just stating the obvious?).

What culture would that be, kevin? Black culture? Poor culture? Immigrant culture?

How can you properly define a widespread problem using such a narrow definition as 'culture'?

don't forget the government-induced socio-economic gap from the 1950s Home Loans.

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Originally posted by AGDee
There are also factors like: lack of nutrition, lack of heat, frequent moves/transiency, increased stressors due to an unstable neighborhood, having to work to help contribute to the household budget (rather than to just buy the designer pair of shoes you want, which is less stressful), having to babysit younger kids in the family, or just do more things around the house that richer kids don't do because the families hire it out. Most people in higher socioeconomic status groups are well educated and therefore, place more value in education, have higher expectations, and assist more in the learning process.

I resent the working mom implications that were made. The women I work with ALL have highly intelligent kids who get very good grades, whether the women are married or not. And, all of our daughters are highly motivated to be well educated, go to good universities and have high career aspirations. Also, because we work, we aren't in a lower socio-economic situation.

I am still waiting to see how it is that immigrant groups that have lower incomes, for example, Asians in NYC are able to do so well academically. It's not just about income and it's not about being an immigrant.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
The need for the statements like "I am somebody" come from the need to instill SOME kind of esteem in a bunch of young people who were born into a system and society that is F-ed up toward them through no fault of their own. Address THAT and don't worry about the flaws of the men behind the message.

If you start with the assumption that "society that is F-ed up toward them through no fault of their own", there's no place to go.

Immigrants come here, some paddling from Cuba in inner tubes, because they see our land of opportunity with streets paved with gold. A recent president of Coca-Cola arrived from Cuba 40 years ago with his wife and two suitcases and less than $100. There are numerous oriental restaurants - from one-person food counters to fancy places employing hundreds - founded and owned by immigrants.

On the other hand, the young people devoting their lives to music stars, $250 adidas sneakers, and pimping cars - and considering good grades "too white" - can say "I am somebody" all day and show up for all of Jesse's and Al's parades, but in the end have little except children without families and a bad attitude. If they make it to college, the males are likely to submit to the worst of "getting wood" as pledges.

The immigrant child - led down the road of good grades, and often working in their parents' business - can legitimately say "I am somebody who has good grades, a job, and a future."

I'm not about to go through this with you or anyone else. You have your views, as narrow and il-advised/informed as they are, and that's fine. However, I can say that the mere statements that you make show how little you really know about this country, its history and the social relations influenced by both.

Also, I don't understand why people say things like such and such a group came here and did this. I have said this over and over again, which is why I am not going to get too far off into this pointless discussion, Whatever group you want to compare to Af. Am or anyone else is NOT that group. They have a totally different background, history and experience. Every group is different and you cannot just sit there and act as if every non white group is exactly the same. I refuse to try to represent my entire group so thats the end of that but you really need to stop and ask yourself who you think YOU are to question and/or criticize an entire group of people who you obviously know nothing about. You sit in judgment of a group of individuals who have an experience and backgrounds totally different from anything you can even imagine so for you to criticize if rediculously pompous and all it does is recomfirm what I already know about folks like you.

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don't forget the government-induced socio-economic gap from the 1950s Home Loans.

This is also a TREMENDOUS cause of many of the problems that are present today. Once again "people like you" try to disregard the impact of policies that directly affected many of people for generations. As repulsive as these people you sit in judgment may be to you, you cannot disregard what is the obvious, or maybe not so obvious, root of a lot of the depression of a lot of people. You spend one day in the conditions these people live and lets see if you have all of that mouth and "superior" attitude that you have now.

Finally, these kids half way don't even know where Jesse and Al are coming from. THAT is not the problem. These kids deal with more stress brought on by the conditions that they live in than most average adults in this country. THAT is why they are very distracted. School and education for most of American history was for the privileged. People from all racial backgrounds have family history that includes that fact that due to the conditions that they lived in, family members were only able to get so much education and instead had to do what they could to help the family. They didn't have the luxury of sitting in a classroom reading literature and developing mathematical skills. They had to work or do whatever they could to make a meal. The difference is that throughout this country's history, the forced impediments to the advancement of BLACK people with relation to other groups caused the disproportionate numbers of how many people in the black community head this reality vs. those in the white community who had it. That is the TRUTH regardless of how you want to place the blame on the black people and their "culture".

I am done with this stupid topic. i am not going to waste anymore time trying to get through to someone who has no possibility of understanding where I'm coming from, let alone the kids or anyone else in our community is coming from. screw you.

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Originally posted by hoosier
No father means no money, which means no books in the home, no quality family time if the mother is working, children raised by grandparents, etc.

how ignorant.

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Originally posted by hoosier
On the other hand, the young people devoting their lives to music stars, $250 adidas sneakers, and pimping cars - and considering good grades "too white" - can say "I am somebody" all day and show up for all of Jesse's and Al's parades, but in the end have little except children without families and a bad attitude. If they make it to college, the males are likely to submit to the worst of "getting wood" as pledges.

what young people are this? you continually parade your racist ideology throughout this board. at least you don't hide your own ignorance.

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Originally posted by starang21
how ignorant.

How true, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by starang21
what young people are this? you continually parade your racist ideology throughout this board. at least you don't hide your own ignorance.

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Originally posted by hoosier
On the other hand, the young people devoting their lives to music stars, $250 adidas sneakers, and pimping cars - and considering good grades "too white" - can say "I am somebody" all day and show up for all of Jesse's and Al's parades, but in the end have little except children without families and a bad attitude. If they make it to college, the males are likely to submit to the worst of "getting wood" as pledges.
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So you think music stars, sneakers, cars, bad grades, parades, children without families, bad attitude, and getting wood are not bad?

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Originally posted by hoosier
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Originally posted by hoosier
On the other hand, the young people devoting their lives to music stars, $250 adidas sneakers, and pimping cars - and considering good grades "too white" - can say "I am somebody" all day and show up for all of Jesse's and Al's parades, but in the end have little except children without families and a bad attitude. If they make it to college, the males are likely to submit to the worst of "getting wood" as pledges.
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So you think music stars, sneakers, cars, bad grades, parades, children without families, bad attitude, and getting wood are not bad?

you're a bigot. plain and simple. much like your thinly veiled racial insults.

but i'll be sure to ask B-Rad and the rest of the trailer trash about what they think of that problem.

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Originally posted by hoosier
How true, unfortunately.

not quite, but for someone who views the world through a simple yet racist mindset....it wouldn't surprise me.

An article from Saturday's Toronto Star about kids in northern Ontario not getting the help they need to pass.

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Making the grade
Gap between native, non-native schools growing
Students don't get the support they need to learn

LOUISE BROWN
TORONTO STAR

Up here north of 50, in a town unmarked on maps and unlinked by road to anywhere at all but primeval woodland, there lives a genius girl who may be doomed.

She looks like any 9-year-old, perched at her bedroom computer in T-shirt and jeans, downloading Eminem and giggling at "South Park versus The Simpsons."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...2154&t=TS_Home

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Originally posted by starang21
you're a bigot. plain and simple. much like your thinly veiled racial insults.

Let's discuss, let's debate.

Let's not call names and use the race card.

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Originally posted by hoosier
Let's discuss, let's debate.

Let's not call names and use the race card.

discuss what? you're a racist.

a bigot complaining about the "race card."

you say this

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On the other hand, the young people devoting their lives to music stars, $250 adidas sneakers, and pimping cars - and considering good grades "too white" - can say "I am somebody" all day and show up for all of Jesse's and Al's parades, but in the end have little except children without families and a bad attitude. If they make it to college, the males are likely to submit to the worst of "getting wood" as pledges.

and then complain about the "race card." nice try, bigot.

but if you want to discuss...what i'd like to discuss is how asians perform better on the SAT that whites.

or how a higher percentage of asian males and females have at least a bachelors degree than that of whites.

i'd also like to know what you think about how asian families have a higher median income to that of white families.

i don't think it could be because asians work harder, because the hardest workers when i was in college seemed to be the white folks who still performed at a lower level than i did. hmmmm......i wonder what ever could it be???

:confused: :confused:

lets get to the point of your posts. bringing up whatever menial and ridiculous point you were bringing up had no basis in this conversation. you've already shown us your bitter and deep seeded hatred for black people. it's old already.

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
I agreed with the first part of what you said but,

this doesn't have a goddamned thing to do with it and if it does, maybe YOU should focus more on what the "so-called" leaders are SAYING and where they get their impressions from. The need for the statements like "I am somebody" come from the need to instill SOME kind of esteem in a bunch of young people who were born into a system and society that is F-ed up toward them through no fault of their own. Address THAT and don't worry about the flaws of the men behind the message.

Also, to assume that just because someone calls himself a leader does not make them so. They are SELF PROCLAIMED. If YOU want to make them out to be, that's you, but don't impose your sense of who is and who is not a leader onto folks you know NOTHING about.

Why is it ok for you to agree with a statement that is against single parents, but once culture or whatever is brought up it has nothing to do with things? I know many people who grew up without a father who are incredibly smart while their mothers were struggling to get by.

Maybe that has something to do with it in some ways, but not all.

And starang, don't you think it's kind of racist to say that Asians are all smarter and it's not because they study harder? I guess since we're not Asian we are just naturally not as smart, right?