Why waste your time to not become a nationally recognized member? That is desparate and sad.

It would be almost like going to college, sitting through everything but never registering as a student. You'd never really graduate to alumni status and could not claim all the benefits doing things the right way provides.

As LXAAlum said so well, being a real member means doing things the right way. Otherwise, what's the point?

To answer the question in the original post, I wouldn't consider someone who went so flagrantly around our organization's requirements a member.

They still have the right to wear their letters anywhere if they are still recongnized as members by their nationals. Even if their charter was pulled. Even rush t shirts that were made before the charter was pulled as was said before.

Hell yeah they are members. Assuming they went through the process correctly. The national organization are nothing more than a recording house of people admitted. If people who went through the ritual pledge new members and perform the rituals properly, the new people are brothers. More than likely the only people who will not recognize them are those of you who did not pledge.

The bottom line is that if you are not recognized by your National office, you are a "ghost". If you are a ghost, you pay no dues, participate in no organizational activities and have no right to "secrets". (I'm not a lawyer, but you also could possibly be sued by claiming membership when you are not ?)

I have to agree with the analogy regarding college. If you never register but sit through all the classes, you will never receive grades and never receive a degree. You may have done all the work but will reap none of the rewards.


just my "2" cents

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As far as OSU is concerned I am surprised that the administration OR the IFC(or whatever the governing body is) would allow them to pledge underground. Wouldn't the other Greeks on campus be concerned that a group was mocking them after their representative body no longer recognizes the group?

[This message has been edited by James (edited October 04, 2000).]

James,

That was inpart my question, but I don't think we've established that anybody at OSU is,in fact pledging underground. Are they?

if AKA nationals doesn't recognize you, neither do i. My founders set up our organization with order without order there is confussion and chaos. You could go through the entire process but the sorority is not just about rituals, its about committment and truth, we are a sisterhood yes and also a business, either you are for real or you are not PERIOD. don't fake the funk, don't perp, cause you will be found out. our organizations don't run on air, it takes money and man power to accomplish our goals, these are not selfish organizations, for members to feel good and look cute, they have a purpose, so if you are not futhering the purpose then we don't need you wearing the letters. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

Your founder believed in a pledge process not some MIP stupidness. They would probably relate more with an underground pledgee than some girl who got her letters on a weekend excursion.

1906:
I am not specifically disagreeing with you but how would you know? By your user name you are obviously an Alpha not an AKA so unless you have met any of the women who were founders you really have no clue of what they would want.

You really don't make good sense. I agree that some type of pledge process is important. However, if you can't be a financial member of AKA you serve her no purpose. From what you are saying, we should teach anyone who is willing to get their tails beat our rituals and a t-shirt and call them soror. You can not do anything for an organization if you are not a card carrying, DUES PAYING, memeber!

Just to show you how out of control this ghost thing is, I know some real (on the national roll) Alphas who allowed themselves to be pledged by ghost. These ghost (like dummies) went to the Alpha conference and could not get in. Can you believe that the real Alphas would not go in either!
IMO, if you can not be a financial member recognized by the org then you are really ruining everything that the founders worked hard for. You don't respect the org, you are merely a public donor if you give money and what is the point of wearing a t-shirt for something if you could never go to the door and get in?

I will never understand that mentality that recognizes those that can do nothing for you. That is really just brainwashing. "I pledged and got nothing, you did not and got something so I am going to make you feel unimportant?

Well tell that to the member when you are standing at the window of a conference looking in. If the org was only about t-shirts you, 1906, would be absolutely right, but it is about work and you can't do much without a card.

Because I know that you and your kind will ask, believe it or not "skate". Thank God my big sisters did not believe in brainwashing. There is a productive way to pledge.

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[This message has been edited by lluvmook98 (edited October 30, 2000).]

1. you sound like a darn fool http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif
2. you don't know what my founders would have wanted so you can kill all that noise.
3. i know you were not on line with me so take that weekend excursion and shove it.
4. i do believe in a pledge process don't assume you know what they say http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif
5. again if you are not doing any work for the sorority you are not helping us.
6. moving on