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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi

I don't see how the US can enter Canadian airspace without our permission? If we wanted to defend ourselves (granted with our highly underfunded and underequipped military), we would.

I think Mr. Celucci ran his mouth. I think the Canadian government exercised its sovereignty by saying, yes, we'll sit down an discuss this with you, and then by saying, no, we don't want to be a part of it.

I agree with the first paragraph here, and I think that's the real issue at hand - frankly, although I can understand the relative dangers of fallout to American citizens (seeing as the vast majority of Canadian citizens live in the south), I can't really understand the line taken here as espoused by Celucci, and I can't imagine it's legal. I also can't imagine how Canadians would turn continued US development down, other than the legal arguments, but that's a digression and really isn't all that germane to the true issues. (after all, from a selfish standpoint, it's free for Canada at that point, and who knows, someday it might even work)0

As far as the second paragraph, while it is completely correct, I was trying to point out the different degree in the use of the term (airspace violations vs. the ability to rule yourselves). Also, I completely agree with the first sentence of this paragraph as well - the guy probably should have kept his mouth shut.

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Originally posted by RACooper
you mean other than shooting any "Brother" who dared utter such an abomination?

I don't mean becoming the same country. I mean like, the E U but for North America.

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Originally posted by KSig RC
...As far as the second paragraph, while it is completely correct, I was trying to point out the different degree in the use of the term (airspace violations vs. the ability to rule yourselves). Also, I completely agree with the first sentence of this paragraph as well - the guy probably should have kept his mouth shut.

I agree that there is a difference (air space violations vs. ability to rule ourselves).

So I guess the question now is, with Mr. Celucci's comments. does the US not think we can govern ourselves, or is the US going to disregard our nation's airspace and enter without permission should there be a missile attack?

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I agree that there is a difference (air space violations vs. ability to rule ourselves).

So I guess the question now is, with Mr. Celucci's comments. does the US not think we can govern ourselves, or is the US going to disregard our nation's airspace and enter without permission should there be a missile attack?

Should we feel threatened, we will do what it takes, just like any other country out there.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
So I guess the question now is, with Mr. Celucci's comments. does the US not think we can govern ourselves, or is the US going to disregard our nation's airspace and enter without permission should there be a missile attack?

Since 90% of Canada's population lives in the extreme south of the nation, I'd imagine that the fallout from any attack on these major southern cities would pose a fairly serious risk to US citizens, and so I'm pretty sure that the US sop would require invading Canadian airspace.

Maybe one of our military folks can provide more specific information, but I can't imagine it not including this exact logic.

This letter was written by Lloyd Axworthy the former Canadian foreign minister as an open letter to Condoleezza Rice and printed in the Winnipeg free press.

Lloyds Letter

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Originally posted by CanadianTeke
This letter was written by Lloyd Axworthy the former Canadian foreign minister as an open letter to Condoleezza Rice and printed in the Winnipeg free press.

Lloyds Letter

Perfect :D

Though of course it won't regester on the radar of the neo-cons as anything other than a "Liberal" complaint... which to me is funny, because that is exactly what he's writing about in the bulk of the letter.