Do you have to be a student to join?

NIC, NPC, and NPHC organizations are defined as student organizations. If there needs no university recognition, as in underground operations/lines, what defines the pool of members. Can you just pick anyone. I know some schools have done away with recognition of GLOs, but does that mean that everyone should do it. Should universities be taken out of the picture and allow the organizations to recruit anyone?

Firehouse, I read this piece of crap Plan three times to finally get the blinding light bulb to see what the hell it means!

Basically, it is like a Product program in a retail store.
Thier last % item on the product list (Not Selling) is Expunged and is gone. That means erased and does not exist.

It is easy to say, "Oh, Go Underground". Hell, on a campus, there is no such thing. A group may not be recognized by a School, but if they screw up bad enough, you damn bet your ass, the College will do something about them. Beleive it or not, Collges are somewhat Toliterian or Dictorial.

Deleware Plan sounds good on the out set for rewarding those that do well in particpation in all functions, do not make Point Standards, are not the Most of anything but still a viable Organization, but if not, Adios, hastalabyby!

Nope in the final chapter, this sucks. :mad:

Beware of this little plan if it takes over GreekDom!:eek:

Wow, after seeing the Five Star thing I had to do a double take.

At my undergrad, prior to my graduation in May 04, the greek advisor pushed this onto the greeks, calling it the same thing.

While I haven't read the UD one, I wouldn't be surprised if the one we started with was similar.

Unfortunately for us and my school, the greek advisor is horrific and while she wanted to implement this, things keep being "probationary." I mean if she loses rosters, how is she supposed to remember all the forms the plan required for us.

I know A-Phi has a chapter at UD, if there are any of you out there, how is the plan working.

I honestly feel that some accountability btwn greeks and the greek office is positive; however, you have got to have administrative support and a good advisor. UD may have both of these, I know my undergrad did not.

Let's say a school did remove recognition. How would the school know the students that are in that fraternity?

Also, do you not think that in the future, university administrations will "own" a piece of fraternities and sororities? I base that on the way certain schools are building housing for Greeks especially and how it's in the form of communities/villages.

-Rudey

Rudey that is a very good point!

But, in some of the readings, it seems that some of the Schools do realize that "BOOK LEARNING" isnt what it is all about.

There are functions that Greeks Offer that just being a GDI dont.:cool:

Einstein was brilliant, but couldnt wash his own clothes in a washing machine. He couldnt comb his own hair either!:eek:

Why would we need universities at all. Just be a member. You don't need no university to be Greek.

Your point, if any, was lost on me.

-Rudey

You said
Let's say a school did remove recognition. How would the school know the students that are in that fraternity?

-Rudey

That means that the school would not have any part of recognizing the membership. If that were the case, what would be the function of a university to a greek organization? This would not be true. A university will always be a part of a student organization.

I completely agree with this. I have no problem with holding my chapter to a high standard. But it's going to be my national organization's standard, not my university's. My organization has a rating system implemented with specific criteria that should be met. This is what we base our programming around- accomplishing certain goals to achieve higher scores in the world of Phi Mu. I'm certain that many other sororities have these same programs, but I'm also pretty sure that the criteria differ between organizations.

Our Greek Life advisor recently tried to implement a plan similar to the Delaware Plan. However, many of the criteria on which our chapter was being graded were things that were not required or even recommended by our national organization (for example, planning one event per year with a non-Greek organization). Now, it is very fine to cooperate and work with non-Greek organizations; in fact, I think it's great. But when it becomes something that is required in order for my chapter to receive points towards being university-recognized, I take issue. A conflict then develops between what Phi Mu says is a priority and what my school says is a priority- and while it's entirely possible to do both, in this case, it would probably lead to some serious overprogramming.

You make no sense. I'm not patient today. Stop talking to me. Thanks.

-Rudey

Yes I've seen this plan almost verbatim at one school and a variation of it at another campus.

However, so far it seems for the one campus at least that we've come to an acceptable solution.

One of the big problems that I see is overprogramming and also the rather excessive types of punishment for some of the offenses. At least in the version I saw it was very "punishment" oriented and didn't really do anything to remedy the problem.

I see what they are trying to do, I just think that at least on an inter/national level we can come up with a solution that benefits both the groups involved and the university.

Also for whomever said that you belong to your international organization and alumnae...you are also GUESTS of the host institution. With that being said, it doesn't mean they get to bully you into getting whatever they want!

For those of you who get this I suggest you contact your office immediately!

That was me. I didn't say that we belong to our chapters and our nationals; I said our chapters and our nationals belong to us. Too often the institution's representatives - our "hosts" - are not hospitable. In the cases where they do not view us as guests, we are obligated to fend for ourselves and protect the rights of our organizations. There is often a fundamental difference between what the institution's reps define as our purpose vs. what we know the purpose of our Founder's was. In almost every case, the original and exclusive purpose of our organizations was the advancement and development of friendship among the members.

To paraphrase Firehouse:

The purpose of these "plans" is to "redefine" the greek system based on the pc values of the institution.

If you accept the redefintion than you compete and strive to mold your chapter to match what those administrators value.

Your concept of "worth" as a chapter and as members is then defined by how well you meet the people in the administration's expectations.

You succeed by pleasing them, you fail by displeasing them.

If all the groups accept the "plan" it becomes self-regulating, where you judge and censor each other (chapters) by how well you please college administrators.

Much like competing with siblings for the affection of unreasonable parents or players with a bad coach.

The operative question is: Why would you entrust other people to define your self-worth based on their sense of appropriate behavior, which may they may not apply to themselves, nor have any legitimate basis in objective reality?

Thats just self destructive.