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Tom Earp 08-16-2004 06:34 PM

It has been brought up several times on other threads.

if a Person who has disaffiliated and have been given a disspensation as it were, per say may and can join another Greek Organization.

While it is not Common, it can happen.

If I remeber, there was a Whole Chapter who was looking to do this.

Yes, there are many times that It Just Doesnt Work.

I know, I have Been There! Started a Local, not Initiated by the Other Greek Organization.


I am still a Proud Member of another Greek Organization!
:D

My Greek Organization, LXA!:D

PhiPsiRuss 08-16-2004 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by steve1869
no self respecting Fraternity would ever pledge or initiate a man who has joined and abandoned his previous Order.
No self respecting Fraternity would abandon its values and principles, and then treat its pledges like sub-humans.

adpiucf 08-16-2004 07:18 PM

The best way to get a sure-fire answer is to speak to the office of Greek Life at your university. The Greek Director/Coordinator can assist you with this situation and let you know what your options are.

Kevin 08-17-2004 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
No self respecting Fraternity would abandon its values and principles, and then treat its pledges like sub-humans.
Co-sign.

And as for the Greek Advisor, don't bother. They don't have as much knowledge about how things work with individual NIC groups (because we are fairly different in each case in what kind of guys we'll take).

The 100 man chapter on your campus that wins everything may actually bid you while the 15-man chapter will tell you no. It'll boggle the mind. The best thing to do is just be honest about your past but do not dwell on it.

I think in the end, you'll come away with at least one bid.

33girl 08-17-2004 10:37 AM

I feel like we're raking the original poster's original fraternity over the coals without knowing both sides of the story.

He never said he was hazed, just that "things happened during pledging." That could mean he saw a brother treat a girl in a way he didn't like...that his grades went in the toilet...that they gave a bid to a gay man and it upset him. Who the heck knows? All we have is his very ambiguous post.

I'm inclined to agree with Steve - if you had doubts, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that should have been a sign that you shouldn't have initiated. You could have asked to be held over or dropped pledging. That's what a pledge period is FOR - so you and the organization can evaluate each other more deeply than you did in rush before you make that lifetime commitment to the org, and they to you.

I'm sure all of us can find ways that our chapter or our org overall let us down, at one time or another. That doesn't mean we should all quit and join another one.

Kevin 08-17-2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
I feel like we're raking the original poster's original fraternity over the coals without knowing both sides of the story.

He never said he was hazed, just that "things happened during pledging." That could mean he saw a brother treat a girl in a way he didn't like...that his grades went in the toilet...that they gave a bid to a gay man and it upset him. Who the heck knows? All we have is his very ambiguous post.

I'm inclined to agree with Steve - if you had doubts, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that should have been a sign that you shouldn't have initiated. You could have asked to be held over or dropped pledging. That's what a pledge period is FOR - so you and the organization can evaluate each other more deeply than you did in rush before you make that lifetime commitment to the org, and they to you.

I'm sure all of us can find ways that our chapter or our org overall let us down, at one time or another. That doesn't mean we should all quit and join another one.

We're arguing hypotheticals. I'm saying that in most cases, I would be VERY skeptical, but in some cases it could be justified.

I'm raking a hypothical chapter over the coals. Without knowing anything about his situation, I'm saying that there are situations where formally resigning in my eyes is justified. If it's done in an honorable way and for honorable reasons, I have no problem with it.

33girl 08-17-2004 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
We're arguing hypotheticals. I'm saying that in most cases, I would be VERY skeptical, but in some cases it could be justified.

I'm raking a hypothical chapter over the coals. Without knowing anything about his situation, I'm saying that there are situations where formally resigning in my eyes is justified. If it's done in an honorable way and for honorable reasons, I have no problem with it.

Agreed - if a chapter beats the crap out of you, they're not holding up their end of the bargain. I just didn't like the fact that some of us seemed to be telling this guy that he was entirely in the right without knowing the whole situation. Half the people were discussing hypothetically, half were addressing the actual human's question.

That1LoudChick 08-17-2004 12:20 PM

I have to say that from a loyalty standpoint, many (if not all) of the fraternities will question you- why did you leave? Why did you think it would get better? Also, you joined the organization for a reason. I honestly don't think you gave it much of a chance if you were only 2 weeks active and quit. Good luck trying, though.

Kevin 08-17-2004 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by That1LoudChick
I have to say that from a loyalty standpoint, many (if not all) of the fraternities will question you- why did you leave? Why did you think it would get better? Also, you joined the organization for a reason. I honestly don't think you gave it much of a chance if you were only 2 weeks active and quit. Good luck trying, though.
Unfortunately, he hasn't disclosed why he left. At this point, I can only assume that whatever reason he left was good enough for him.

I cannot predict whether it will be good enough for the men that must accept him into their chapter though. But that's all that matters.

ZTA1806 08-17-2004 03:01 PM

I've always been of the mind that there are really 3 sides to every story -- yours, theirs, and the truth that lies somewhere in the middle. I don't know the facts of why you wanted to go (and chose not to) and why you finally did after initiation, but it remains that both parties were failed.

If the original poster does not admit to any new organization, honestly, that they had some fault in their own unhappiness (which was accomplished at least by not depledging when first unhappy), I would think that the brothers would not feel that the prospective has the fraternity's best at heart. I have a hard time believing everything was the GLO's fault. That doubt would be more than enough to make me think that this person would not take my letters, and all that they stand for, seriously and sincerely.

I wish you luck in finding happiness, greek or otherwise.

Allmixedup311 08-17-2004 03:26 PM

reasons
 
i thank everyone who gave me some constructive input, and as for my reasons i don't want to go into them here but suffice to say we were hazed. although i should have dropped earlier, i felt i would have been screwing over my friends who had joined with me. in the end it just wasn't for me, the guys weren't the kind of people that i liked/could even deal with. i just hope that i can get a fair shot this fall.

Kevin 08-17-2004 03:59 PM

Re: reasons
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Allmixedup311
i thank everyone who gave me some constructive input, and as for my reasons i don't want to go into them here but suffice to say we were hazed. although i should have dropped earlier, i felt i would have been screwing over my friends who had joined with me. in the end it just wasn't for me, the guys weren't the kind of people that i liked/could even deal with. i just hope that i can get a fair shot this fall.
A simple explanation like that is enough to make me understand that your intentions are honorable. It is tough to quit in the middle of hazing. You have a bond with the guys that you're going through it with and it is really hard to just leave them to fend for themselves.

With what you said, you'd have my vote for a bid.

Couldn't guarantee the votes of the rest of my chapter though.

PhiPsiRuss 08-17-2004 06:44 PM

Granted, we don't know the circumstances of his resignation. I do find it unlikely that a fraternity would accept his resignation, and offer documentation of such, over a minor incident. I could be wrong, but I think that there was something very serious that happened.

Tom Earp 08-17-2004 06:53 PM

Russ, I think you are very right on your point and what ktsnake said.

There seems to be more of a reason than being explained to us on a public forum. Actually as it should be, no Names mentioned.

There seems to be a real problem here that some could help with in private.

I am sure if allmixedup311 would PM any of us off the boards, there are many who would try to be of assistance!

BSUPhiSig'92 08-17-2004 07:01 PM

I think you might still have a shot at joining another chapter, but don't be surprised if guys are leary of giving you a bid. You might have a better chance if the guys get to know you better and know your intentions and sincere desire to belong. Formal rush may not work in your favor though, due to the limited amount of time to really get to know the chapter. Do you already know some of the guys in any other chapters you might be interested in? If so, that could help a lot.


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