I think if people have told you that you were anti-semitic they had their reasons. I'm not said people and I don't know the details. I do know that you can't keep your stories straight and say you're just stupid. Wear whatever shoes you want. I've had no trouble in the past outright telling you that you were dumb, that you were old, that you had no experiences other than a military...why would I stop there? Every time you've posted on Israel, I've corrected your lies. When you posted bullshit about not too much anti-semitism in Europe, I corrected your lies.

And back to the topic. Again, neither you nor New Zealand have proof of anything. Too bad you can't grasp a simple statement like that.

-Rudey

The breadth of your material needs improving… the same old tired (almost cliché now) line of dismissive insults again: my military service precluding me from knowledge of other aspects of the world in which we live, while at the same time somehow not being knowledgeable about the military; yours views of my intellect, but then considering the others you have insulted with regards to their intellect and education, I’d have to consider myself in good company; and my finally using my age as something to insult or use as somehow derogatory… which I might add is discriminatory (the same as making derogatory or bigoted comments about say a person’s sex or race… at least legally).

Yes I have had people call me anti-Semitic… but I’ve also been called a “Jew Lover”, a Nazi, a Fascist, a Socialist, White Trash, a Spoiled Rich Kid, a Hippy, a “Baby Killer”, an idiot (one of your favourites), and an intellectual elitist… but I dismissed those as the ravings of people who enjoy nothing more than trying to force their views on others… without being willing to debate their beliefs, much less defend them. It’s a poor debater that resorts to insults instead of coherent arguments and opinion… so you might want to consider that before you dismiss either myself or others on GC who are attempting to carry-on at least the semblance of adult debate.

As for the topic… so neither New Zealand nor myself have proof of anything? Well other than relying on past experience and the allegations of New Zealand security services and Canadian intelligence… but then we all know how governments or their intelligence services can misinterpret intelligence huh? Well so far Canadian and New Zealand services are convinced of the sentenced men’s involvement with Mossad, either as agents or in their employ, but since our countries aren’t important I guess it doesn’t matter does it? After all you’ve said Canada isn’t important… and apparently Israel has the same opinion of New Zealand:
<A BBC correspondent in Jerusalem, David Chazan, says Israeli officials give the impression of regarding New Zealand as a relatively unimportant country. Sources close to the government say the Israeli reaction might have been different if a larger and more influential country had been involved.>
full article-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3896009.stm

While I may be wrong, and New Zealand might be wrong, and Canadian intelligence might be wrong… but I have to wonder why they would suppose that these two men that have been sentenced have ties to Mossad? In the case of using a previous argument that you used against me on other subjects… perhaps they know something you don’t… afterall that was your argument concerning my doubts about the intelligence concerning WMD.

Being anti-semitic and being White Trash are different things. One affects people, the other doesn't. If people tell you that you are, I'm sure they don't have turrets. Evidently you thought about it so much that you came on here saying you weren't. Remember when you tried to tell me I was wrong to feel that there was anti-semitism in Europe too>?

WMD? Again, they said the weapons were there - they being intelligence agencies all over the world as well as the UN. Saddam says they weren't. For them to not be there they either have to be destroyed or moved. For it to be destroyed means there are sites with the materials around. Again, we might not have found WMD but we have not found WMD destruction sites. Evidently you have such difficulty arguing when you feel you're anti-semitic and know Rudey is going to prove you wrong that you digress. Great job.

Again, YOU AND NEW ZEALAND HAVE NO PROOF.

Since you can't read,
Since you can't think logically,
why don't you just tell me I'm ugly and have no personality?

-Rudey
--No proof? No proof? woo woo an old man who went to college at the ripe old age of retirement has no proof?

Again US & UK intelligence agencies aren't "everyone"...

See I'm convinced that the men were infact affiliated with Mossad, even though I "have no proof"... just as you are convinced that there are WMD even though you "have no proof". I fail to see why you view is so solid in your case, but mine isn't... oh well for the arrogant superiority of the self-deluded....

Because they existed before. And now there is no evidence of their destruction.

There is no proof presented showing these men are Mossad agents at any point. Had there been such proof, and then somehow you lost said proof, that would be a relevant analogy. In fact had there been such proof, none of this would even be questioned. I don't care that you are "convinced", because some people are "convinced" that they see aliens.

-Rudey
--Delivering little lessons in logic to Canadians every day.

No no, my man - the correct statement was that the WMD were there, which is what I believe Rudey claimed - and this is a fact, until you provide proof to the contrary (which, even as contrarian as you and Rudey can be toward each other, you surely won't attempt this, as the weapons didn't just exist, they were used at one point . . . no matter how people claim they were 'eliminated' or shipped to Syria or etc. the only thing we don't know is timeline, essentially).

Here's the thing: if you're going to go w/ a 'feeling' or 'educated guess' made by NZ's intelligence officials . . . well, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm about 99% sure that use of foreign passports by intelligence officials is SOP for many nations of the world. Do I have proof? Nope, but it's been done in the past, so it probably still happens.

Do you agree w/ my logic? B/c it's your logic as well, to my mind.

Ha… you should have stated that you attempt to deliver lessons on flawed logic… which unfortunately we are all to aware of… at what does the Canadian comment mean or imply hmm?

There is no proof that the men are Mossad agents… only allegations and innuendo (bugged conversations and all), historical parallels to other Mossad operations to acquire foreign passports, and strong suspicion re-enforced by the Israeli refusal to provide information about the alleged agents. Conversely you base your belief in Iraq’s possession of WMD on allegations and innuendo based on statements by defectors and anti-government forces, the history of Saddam’s programs and actions, and of course the fact that suspicion was raised by Saddam’s refusal to provide any information about the alleged WMD.

While the are un-confirmed reports that the “alleged” agents were bugged for a lengthy period of time before their arrest… and that the allegations of the men’s attachment to Mossad was based off this bugging… but what I keep asking myself is why Israel hasn’t bothered to apologize for the actions of it’s citizens (regardless of their affiliations), and why hasn’t Israel confirmed or denied the allegations.

No the weapons were there. Nobody denies that. The UN does not deny that. Not the Kurds and Iranians who tasted the chemicals for sure.

Again, you're making allegations. Present this proof or shutup.

-Rudey
--I guess Canada doesn't have a great education system

Based on previous allegations and history, I have come to the conclusion that Canada's military supports terrorists, thieves, and child molestors. Nothing has been presented in any court of law, and this is my suspicion as of a minute ago, but at this current time it is now something I am convinced of.

-Rudey
--RACooper's logic

No Mossad agents have done this before. Nobody denies that. Israel does not deny that. Not the Canadian and Australian govenments that have recieved repeated assurances that Mossad wouldn't do it again.

Again, these are not allegation but actual fact if you care to look into it... as for proof of allegations of bugging:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...portID=1162641
Which you'll note that I refered to as un-confirmed reports...

But of course petty attacks on Canada by yourself is pretty much par for the course isn't it? Why is it that you may make these little jabs at the country I love, while others are forbidden to even question any of those that you hold allegance to? Hmm? If you can find an example of where I have accused the American military of supporting terrorism, thieves, and child molestors I'd like to see it... so please have the honour to not resort to any further unfounded and uncalled for insults leveled against my country....

Hey I have unconfirmed reports and you have unconfirmed reports. We both have unconfirmed reports. Nobody is taking jabs at anyone. If you don't see your post as a jab, there is no reason to see mine as one. These are all unconfirmed reports and surely nobody enjoys unconfirmed reports.

ETA: I'm scared that you threatened my life on the Chit Chat forum and then told me to find out why you were no longer in the military, implying a violent history. I've quoted you in my signature.

-Rudey

Lay off the personal attack. First and last warning.