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PhiPsiRuss 07-12-2004 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Surveillance cameras at the station where the culprits reportedly left the train showed no young men running from the scene, and no witnesses have come forward
That's not proof of fabrication. Also, there is no indication of whether the cameras may have been obstructed when trains were in the station.

swissmiss04 07-12-2004 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Seeing as how in the last few years there have been several college girls that have faked being kidnapped and at Iowa State at least 2 girls that have given false reports of rape- sure.
Oh so because 2 college girls decided to pull a sophomoric prank, you think that the victims of rape should be further humiliated and degraded?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kevin 07-12-2004 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Seeing as how in the last few years there have been several college girls that have faked being kidnapped and at Iowa State at least 2 girls that have given false reports of rape- sure.
So because it is possible, it happened. That's one mighty leap of faith though.

Maybe Arab men are being discriminated against. Maybe this is like that case where the women drowned her children and claimed a black man did it? I just don't see how or why you can come to this conclusion.

moe.ron 07-13-2004 02:57 AM

Latest news:

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Police doubt story of Paris attack
'I have no certitude,' city's police chief says


PARIS (AP) — A young mother may have made up a report that she had been attacked and robbed on a suburban train by young men who then scrawled swastikas on her stomach. So far police have found no clues to indicate that the incident took place.

Nevertheless, they continue to patrol suburban trains and study video footage from surveillance cameras, trying to track down the six men who allegedly attacked the 23-year-old woman.

She told police she was robbed by a knife-wielding gang while riding a train with her infant Friday morning. She claimed to have been mistreated after being mistaken for a Jew. None of some 20 witnesses came to her rescue, she told police.

Investigators trying to track down the culprits had almost no clues to guide them.

Surveillance cameras at the station where the culprits reportedly left the train showed no young men running from the scene, and no witnesses have come forward despite repeated calls from officials and promises of anonymity.

Both France-Info radio and the television station LCI reported that the young woman had filed several complaints about violence and aggressive treatment in the past. Neither news outlet provided sources, but LCI said the woman had filed six such complaints. That information could not be immediately confirmed.
Read Rest Here

Kevin 07-13-2004 08:22 AM

Mr. ISU may have been right.

Holy crap :D

Taualumna 07-13-2004 11:46 PM

It's confirmed. She lied.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...semitic_attack

DeltAlum 07-14-2004 09:43 AM

BBC Reported yesterday that the young woman had made up the story. She may face charges.

RACooper 07-14-2004 10:16 AM

Well here's the BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3891609.stm

Good thing that no one here leaped to any conclusions and used it as an excuse to engage in any anti-French attacks :rolleyes:

Kevin 07-14-2004 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Well here's the BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3891609.stm

Good thing that no one here leaped to any conclusions and used it as an excuse to engage in any anti-French attacks :rolleyes:

Her story was so compelling because it was believable.

Rudey 07-14-2004 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Well here's the BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3891609.stm

Good thing that no one here leaped to any conclusions and used it as an excuse to engage in any anti-French attacks :rolleyes:

There goes this kid again. You don't know France. Your brother stayed there for a short amount of time. You are not French.

-Rudey
--The French have a strong history of anti-semitism says I, the guy that visits France and lived in France.

RACooper 07-14-2004 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
There goes this kid again. You don't know France. Your brother stayed there for a short amount of time. You are not French.

-Rudey
--The French have a strong history of anti-semitism says I, the guy that visits France and lived in France.

Huzah... I'm young again :rolleyes:

Yes France has a history of Anti-Semitism, but it also has a history of pretty much anything not French, and there was a strong anti-immigrant movement back in late 80's early 90's... when I was there in '91 there were news reports of Anti-Semitc vandalism as well as reports of Mosques suffering from arson attacks... however in each case the disgust registered by the society as a whole was pretty apparent (as it was this time), so blaming an entire country or society for the actions of a few is uncalled for... unless you want the same hasty remarks made about hate-related crimes commited in the US....

DeltAlum 07-14-2004 11:35 AM

Have visited France but not lived there.

I thought they just didn't like anybody.

Rudey 07-14-2004 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Huzah... I'm young again :rolleyes:

Yes France has a history of Anti-Semitism, but it also has a history of pretty much anything not French, and there was a strong anti-immigrant movement back in late 80's early 90's... when I was there in '91 there were news reports of Anti-Semitc vandalism as well as reports of Mosques suffering from arson attacks... however in each case the disgust registered by the society as a whole was pretty apparent (as it was this time), so blaming an entire country or society for the actions of a few is uncalled for... unless you want the same hasty remarks made about hate-related crimes commited in the US....

Actions of a few? Right so when the acts of racism and anti-semitism rise, it's only a few? When it's a sizable amount, it's only a few? When it's not just Arabs but a "white" population, it's only a few?

-Rudey
--When you were there in '91...little Mr. Canadian tourist...

RACooper 07-14-2004 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Actions of a few? Right so when the acts of racism and anti-semitism rise, it's only a few? When it's a sizable amount, it's only a few? When it's not just Arabs but a "white" population, it's only a few?

-Rudey
--When you were there in '91...little Mr. Canadian tourist...

I see so if it's not a "few" please correct me with some numbers not your prejudice...

I'd be interested to see a per-capita report of Anti-Semitic attacks in Europe and North America, as well as a per-captia report of hate-crimes to see if your assumptions are based in reality...

Rudey 07-14-2004 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I see so if it's not a "few" please correct me with some numbers not your prejudice...

I'd be interested to see a per-capita report of Anti-Semitic attacks in Europe and North America, as well as a per-captia report of hate-crimes to see if your assumptions are based in reality...

My prejudice? What an absolute moron you are.

America: 17% of Americans hold strong anti-semitic views.

ADL Survey 2002:
Percentage of those who believe Jews have too much power in the business world: Spain 63%, Belgium 44%, France 42%, Austria 40%, Switzerland 37%, Germany 32%, UK 21%, The Netherlands 20%, Denmark 13%

Percentage of those who believe Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust: Germany 58%, Spain 57%, Austria 56%, Switzerland 52%, France 46%, Italy 43%, Belgium 38%, The Netherlands 35%, Denmark 30%, UK 23%

21% of Europeans harbor strong anti-Semitic views. 34% in Spain, 23% in Italy, 22% in Switzerland, 19% in Austria, 7% in the Netherlands

30% harbor traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes.
45% believe Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own country.
30% believe that Jews have too much power in the business world.
19% say Jews don't care about anyone but their own kind.
16% say Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
39% of Europeans believe Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust.

Anti-Jewish violence in Europe:
34% of French respondents and 32% of Belgians said they were "unconcerned" or "fairly unconcerned."
In France, which had the most anti-Jewish violence of the countries polled, 33% said their government was not doing enough to protect its Jewish citizens.

"Speaking at a symposium on "Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism in Western Europe since 2000," Epstein said the current wave
of anti-Semitism in France is the fourth since 1945, and that each wave was of increasing intensity. The previous occurrences
were in 1959-1960, the late '70s to the early '80s, and the late '80s to the early '90s."

The OSCE Conference was in repsonse the Europe's final acknowledgement of the surge in antisemitism after 3 years of denial:
"French President Jacques Chirac, after more than two years of avoiding the issue, now recognizes that anti-Semitism in France is a problem. He has denounced it publicly as unacceptable. Following the publication of a European poll that found more Europeans seeing Israel as a threat to peace than any other country, Romano Prodi, the President of the European Commission, recognized the seriousness of this kind of thinking and organized a conference in Brussels in response. And the E.U. Monitoring group has conducted a full-blown report on anti-Semitism in Europe in response to the worsening situation. "
http://www.osce.org/events/conferenc...tism/index.php
Europe itself isn't even denying it anymore, but a moron named RACooper is on GC acting like he knows. Brilliant.

Europe just recently decided to keep records of anti-semitic and racism statistics. A count by an NGO places the number in France alone from 2000-mid 2003 at over 2100 incidents.

And France registered 67 attacks on Jews or their property and 160 threats against Jews in the first quarter of 2004 versus 42 attacks and 191 threats in the last three months of 2003.

-Rudey
--I love uneducated tourists


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