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Originally posted by Rudey
The Republican party was founded as a party that melded issues together. It enveloped the anti-slavery issues from its start. Of course the Republican party of old is not the Republican party of new but certain things remain very intact. As for the Christian right, well those are actually Democratic voters historically and even now Bush is trying to court them because he's worried they will vote Democrat over Republican in this election.

And I would love to see why Democrats love McCain who is very Republican just like Lieberman is very Democratic.

-Rudey

Perhaps I should have phrased it, I think there should possibly be a split between moderate Republicans and conservative Republicans. I think on a lot of issues moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats are far closer than moderate Republicans and conservative Republicans. (For example, many moderate Republicans are financially conservative and socially liberal, as are many moderate Democrats. Perhaps they should all vote for the same candidate who is financially conservative and socially liberal. I know thats who I would vote for).

As for why THIS Democrat loves McCain - I think he is a man of honor based on his conduct in Vietnam. (I believe he was offered early release from captivity because his father was secretary of the navy and he refused unless all the other Americans were released as well). I strongly agree with his positions on campaign finance and the environment. I admire him for having the courage to call George Bush out when he (McCain) disagrees with him, since some Republicans like to smear those who criticize the administration.

And in terms of the origins of the republican party, it was originally Abraham Lincoln's Party - aka the party that abolished slavery, and for years was the more "liberal" party. However FDR liberalized the Democratic party, although there was a huge divide between Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats. (Southern Democrats were often segregationalists). Richard Nixon and other Republicans engineered a "Southern Strategy" in the late 60s/early 70s to attract Southern Democrats into the Republican Party.

Now, here I'm just guessing, but I think that the Christian Right was, up until the 70s, historically democratic. In the early 1970s abortion became legalized. Many Republicans took a pro-life stance, many Democrats took a pro-choice stance. It wouldn't surprise me if during the 70s many people on the Christian right who had voted democratic went over to the Republican fold based on the abortion issue. It would, however, surprise me if members of the Christian right went en masse over to the pro-choice Democratic party.

Before you criticize me please note my use of modifiers such as "many", "some", and "often", which were employed in order to avoid making blanket generalizations.

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I dont' criticize people. I say they're right, wrong, agree, don't agree, etc. It works better when I say it that way.

Perhaps you should look at McCain's voting record or see what else he's said about Kerry and Democrats. What you said is a very superficial remark - you agree with certain things that a lot of people support but you brought up McCain so what makes him so different...meaning it's not just about the 2 or 3 issues you said and if you look further, McCain is a staunch Republican who will only switch if he smells the money under his nose.

And the Republican party was a merging and in the 1850's it became what it is - before that it was several parties and the freedom party was only one of the factions. The one thing that hasn't changed is that the Democratic party is the party of immigrants.

The Christian right voted Republican under Reagan.

Also party power cycles every 40 years...

-Rudey

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Originally posted by nucutiepie
Perhaps I should have phrased it, I think there should possibly be a split between moderate Republicans and conservative Republicans. I think on a lot of issues moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats are far closer than moderate Republicans and conservative Republicans. (For example, many moderate Republicans are financially conservative and socially liberal, as are many moderate Democrats. Perhaps they should all vote for the same candidate who is financially conservative and socially liberal. I know thats who I would vote for).

As for why THIS Democrat loves McCain - I think he is a man of honor based on his conduct in Vietnam. (I believe he was offered early release from captivity because his father was secretary of the navy and he refused unless all the other Americans were released as well). I strongly agree with his positions on campaign finance and the environment. I admire him for having the courage to call George Bush out when he (McCain) disagrees with him, since some Republicans like to smear those who criticize the administration.

And in terms of the origins of the republican party, it was originally Abraham Lincoln's Party - aka the party that abolished slavery, and for years was the more "liberal" party. However FDR liberalized the Democratic party, although there was a huge divide between Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats. (Southern Democrats were often segregationalists). Richard Nixon and other Republicans engineered a "Southern Strategy" in the late 60s/early 70s to attract Southern Democrats into the Republican Party.

Now, here I'm just guessing, but I think that the Christian Right was, up until the 70s, historically democratic. In the early 1970s abortion became legalized. Many Republicans took a pro-life stance, many Democrats took a pro-choice stance. It wouldn't surprise me if during the 70s many people on the Christian right who had voted democratic went over to the Republican fold based on the abortion issue. It would, however, surprise me if members of the Christian right went en masse over to the pro-choice Democratic party.

Before you criticize me please note my use of modifiers such as "many", "some", and "often", which were employed in order to avoid making blanket generalizations.

Re: Re: Re: Who Will be in a Kerry Cabinet?

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Originally posted by nucutiepie
One problem with Ted Kennedy. He's the senior senator from Massachusetts, Kerry is the junior senator. If a senator leaves to take another job, the governor appoints a new senator. Now our governor is a conservative republican and would appoint a republican. So by picking Ted Kennedy, Kerry would effectively lose two Democratic seats in the Senate - good news for those of you who are Republicans, bad news for the rest of us.

i believe they are int he final stages right now of passing a bill that would have who fills the seat done by an election instead of Romney choosing it.

anyone in kerrys cabinet will be better than the current bush's.

KERRY 04.

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Originally posted by nucutiepie
As for why THIS Democrat loves McCain - I think he is a man of honor based on his conduct in Vietnam. (I believe he was offered early release from captivity because his father was secretary of the navy and he refused unless all the other Americans were released as well). I strongly agree with his positions on campaign finance and the environment. I admire him for having the courage to call George Bush out when he (McCain) disagrees with him, since some Republicans like to smear those who criticize the administration.

John McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet (CINCPAC) during Vietnam. Before being shot down over North Vietnam, John III (the current Senator) narrowly escaped being roasted aboard the USS Forrestal when a stray missile exploded on the flight deck, causing a catastrophic fire aboard the ship.

The USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) is named after his father. A previous ship, DDG-36 honors Sen. McCain's grandfather, who was instrumental in turning the tide of battle during the Battle of Leyte Gulf in WW II.

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Originally posted by ktsnake
People seem to get the following terms confused:

Republican and Conservative

and

Democrat and Liberal

amen!

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I titled the same way for the thread about a second Bush administration.

I hope that you were equally amused.

I didn't see your other thread, but knowing that I rarely put the cart before the horse, I probably would have been amused.

Sorry to disappoint.

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Originally posted by Rudey
Perhaps you should look at McCain's voting record or see what else he's said about Kerry and Democrats. What you said is a very superficial remark - you agree with certain things that a lot of people support but you brought up McCain so what makes him so different...meaning it's not just about the 2 or 3 issues you said and if you look further, McCain is a staunch Republican who will only switch if he smells the money under his nose.

And the Republican party was a merging and in the 1850's it became what it is - before that it was several parties and the freedom party was only one of the factions. The one thing that hasn't changed is that the Democratic party is the party of immigrants.

The Christian right voted Republican under Reagan.

Also party power cycles every 40 years...

-Rudey

A few clarifications to my opinion (written very late at night my time):

The major, #1 reason that I like John McCain is because he seems to be an honorable/trustworthy/moral person. He is far more conservative than I am but he seems significantly different from many politicians, in part because of his war conduct. Also thanks AlphaSigOU for pointing out what McCain's father's position actually was, I thought it might be secretary of the navy but didnt feel like looking it up. (I get charged by the page for internet access).

Also I said that the Christian right probably started voting Republican in the 70s... so yeah they would have voted republican under reagan.

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Originally posted by mu_agd
i believe they are int he final stages right now of passing a bill that would have who fills the seat done by an election instead of Romney choosing it.

It's no guarantee that it will pass though...and I'm not sure if that makes it any better. All the icumbent office holders who will be running (Barney Frank, et. al) will have an enormous fund raising advantage over everyone else.

Either way one party is going to have a infinite advantage in the elections.

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Originally posted by ktsnake
People seem to get the following terms confused:

Republican and Conservative

and

Democrat and Liberal

What people? Oh I know............Elves, Eskimo's, and little people from Gumdrop Lane!

These are names that have been tossed around in the various campaign headquarters I have been in lately and before the Iowa Caucus:

-Carol Mosely-Braun
-Tom Harkin
-John McCain
-John Edwards
-Dick Gephardt
-Bob Graham
-Bob Kerrey
-Tom Vilsack
-Howard Dean

Harkin would make a good Sec. of Agriculture
McCain would make a good Sec of Defense
Braun would make a good Sec of State
Dean would make a good Sec of HHS
Vilsack would make a good Sec of HUD

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Braun would make a good Sec of State

Every Democratic Secretary of State has been a member of the Trilateral Commision since it was founded in the early 70s. I don't think that Braun is a member of the TriCom, but I would have to get a current copy of their membership roster to see.

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
These are names that have been tossed around in the various campaign headquarters I have been in lately and before the Iowa Caucus:

-Carol Mosely-Braun
-Tom Harkin
-John McCain
-John Edwards
-Dick Gephardt
-Bob Graham
-Bob Kerrey
-Tom Vilsack
-Howard Dean

Harkin would make a good Sec. of Agriculture
McCain would make a good Sec of Defense
Braun would make a good Sec of State
Dean would make a good Sec of HHS
Vilsack would make a good Sec of HUD

While I agree Tom would make a great Sec of Ag. I like him as our senator and would hate to lose his seniority. He is in a position to make things happen for Iowa.

I agree with McCain for Sec of Defense.

I think Edwards would be the best Sec of State we could have. He is such a excellent debater and orator.

Vilsack for HUD? Interesting thought.

Dean for HHS is a good choice too. Some one with passion, heart AND a brain is always a good choice for a position that deals with building people up.

Gephardt is the best possible choice for Sec of Labor. No one understands the blue collar worker like he does.