Well I went to a lot of "Pi Phi" events when I was at school because of the "3 sisters and it's a sorority event" rule, whether it was going to the bar on a friday night or to the movies or bowling or out to dinner. Because all my clos friends at school were my sisters.

Groups such as A Xi D have the facilities policy, which means they do not have functions with fraternities that do not live in alcohol free housing. Groups like D Phi E follow a functions policy, where we will not have a function in a fraternity house that is not alcohol free. I don't know off the top of my head what fraternities are alcohol free, and what sororities follow which policies, but most sororities follow the functions policy, that I know, and I remember A Xi D following the strictest of the policies.

As for women owning up to drinking, I'm happy to notify you all that sorority women do drink. We just use third party vendors. It's not that difficult. moe.ron is exactly right...use the third party vendor to reduce liability and keep your house in livable condition.

I could be 100% wrong here so feel free to correct me.

I believe that AXiD and Kappa Kappa Gamma follow the strictest which (and I could be wrong here) are only supposed to mix with alcohol free fraternities. Sigma Kappa and SDT voted to support it but if I remember correctly they can still mix. Everyone else fell into the you can co-sponsor a function at a house provided that the event is alcohol free. HOWEVER, many campus panhellenic's adopted the middle ground rule, so most will follow the strictest of the policies.

Were the fraternities Delta Sigma Phi, Phi Delta Theta, and Phi Gamma Delta - maybe Theta Chi?

I was a chapter member before and after this passed. Let me tell you that our social life went from thriving to non-existent.

If I remember correctly and this could be strictly rumor, 2-3 fraternities shopped this around to NIC, but because of lack of interest brought it to the NPC groups. We adopted these rules to support these orgs to go alcohol free. Unfortunately to me at least if this was the case - the majority of groups don't seem like they are supporting us.

Also, as an advisor I have had to deal with the more than so many sisters at an event as a risk management issue.

Just my 2 cents.

There are three organizations that follow the facilities rule: Alpha Xi Delta is one. I believe that Kappa and Pi Phi are the other two but I could be wrong and I'm not where I can get to my resources.

It just means that our chapters should be going to third party vendors if they want to have functions with fraternities that allow alcohol in their houses.

We can still have functions with those fraternities, just not in their houses. It's not as much a risk management issue but a way to help support those men's groups that took a stand to go substance free.

I remember when men's groups were first talking about going alcohol free and they were worried that they would be at a disadvantage. This is how these three women's groups chose to support those men's groups.

This is another instance of the difference between NIC & NPC...NPC makes rules. NIC is mainly an information source for its members and doesn't really tell them what to do. It's always been that way and I don't know why the fraternities that decided to go dry (or NPC for that matter) thought it would change.

Here are the alcohol free housing fraternities at present (thanks thetachi.org):

Alpha Kappa Lambda www.akl.org
Delta Sigma Phi www.deltasig.org
Delta Upsilon www.deltau.org
FarmHouse www.farmhouse.org
Kappa Delta Phi www.kappadeltaphi.org
Phi Delta Theta www.phideltatheta.org
Phi Gamma Delta www.phigam.org
Phi Kappa Sigma www.pks.org
Phi Kappa Theta www.phikappatheta.org
Sigma Nu www.sigmanu.org
Theta Chi www.thetachi.org
From what I remember from past discussions on this, Farmhouse has ALWAYS been dry, like since they started having houses. Sigma Nu can waive the dryness if the chapter meets certain grade & other requirements I believe (ktsnake, please correct me if I'm wrong). Additionally, when some other groups recharter a chapter for disciplinary reasons the chapter housing must be alcohol free.

I'm sure a lot of people remember the cry "Dry by 2000"....well here it is, 2004 and the majority of NIC groups are far from that. I think that NPC could have chosen other ways to "support" these groups (for example, at least one social event a month must be alcohol free, if you have alcohol free fraternities at your school have it with them) rather than doing something that has had such far reaching consequences.

Absolutely right. Our academically challenged chapters are dry until they get their grades back up.

Motivate college students with booze.. what a novel concept, eh?

I completely agree. We went from at least one, sometimes 2 (or 3!) mixers every week to one or two a month. Maybe that.

I won't tell you some of the things several groups on my campus did to get around the rules when the policy was first implemented (not that I'm promoting anyone to break the rules, I'm just saying it happened). I'm pretty sure that now everything has worked itself out though.

I spoke to the Executive Director of a large national sorority. The sorority suports dry housing but she said that the rule on mixers didn't apply to non-sanctioned fraternity housing.

I don't believe she was being disingenious, I think she was just being realistic.

A lot of chapters that were forced to go dry just had secondary non-sanctioned facilities.