Re: Is frat life good for Man of God?
 

Well I will add my 6 cents to this discussion ;)

I think that one can compromise their relationship with God in almost anything they do, if there is no balance and things are done that contradict God's word. If you are attending every meeting and going to every activity sponsored by the chapter, but can't find time to be active in the church or have a daily devotional with the Lord..something may be wrong with that picture...just as is the case with work, sports, and etc. What I'm saying is that Omega wouldn't necessarily be the root cause of your lukewarm relationship with God..its all up to you. God wants to be the center of our lives, and he wants us to do things for his glory..not for your own gratification. For me personally, serving God's community is more important than anything. Don't get me wrong, I am an active Delta..but Delta has its place...and I will never dedicate more time to my sorority than I do to church or my relationship with God.

If you are chosen to be a member of Omega, you will be confronted with many things that may not be conducive to your walk with Christ. And at that point it will be up to you to make the decision on which path you take...but if you decide to get drunk at every function, chase the groupies that follow the bruz, and be a OWT que...it will be your decision...it WILL NOT be Omega "corrupting" you.

BGLO's are not a religion
 

Just in case anybody thinks this, let's be clear, BGLO'S are not a religion, nor should they substitute anyones relationship with Jesus Christ. My question to everyone is this. If your organization is in direct conflict with what many of us on GC calim to have, and that is a relationship with God, how are you personally going to see to it that your org doesn't keep you from God? And are you willing to keep your bruhs and sorors of your respesctive orgs accountable to the things of God. Here me when I say this, it seems some of you have taken a personal attack on The411 without having any scriptural bases for your argument. I don't know her personally, but I appreciate her convictions as a christian woman. The bottom line is this. If I met you today, would I see Jesus shining through you or would I just see your letters? Would I see you as Christian who happens to be in a BGLO? or would I see a Greek who claims to be a christian. And please don't excuse your behavior with Matthew 7. Nobody should judge, but I will sure do a fruit inspection. Nobody is perfect, but God never lowers His standards for our lives, because of our frailties, he set them high because of them. You all know my PM holla at the preacha!!!! Cuz I ain't never scared! LOL

Re: BGLO's are not a religion
 

Man of God,

I knew before I posted my response that it wouldn't be well received. I guess that goes with the calling, right? ;) But as my co-pastor says, "Scared is what I'm not!"

Yours in Christ...

The411,
I just wanted to go on the record to say that from what you have said, I sincerely admire your walk with the Lord. Thanks for being a Christian that not only talks the talk..but walks the walk.

Thanks, Love_Spell_6! :D I am by no means perfect in my walk, but I do try to be. I've been delivered from an ugly past, if I must be honest. That's why I'm so passionate about what I do from this point forward; I know tomorrow isn't promised to me.

OH no doubt..none of us are perfect..but its just refreshing to hear a convicted Christian speak! I talk to a lot of people who hide behind the phrase "God knows my heart." But the truth is..he does..and he knows if we are putting our own will before his.

Re: BGLO's are not a religion
 

Here me when I say this. I have not read any personal attacks on the411. Just people expressing what it means to them. Since you only mentions Christians, how do your feel about Muslims or Jews? My sorority turns neither away.

To the411:
Because you do feel so strongly that Delta (or any sorority) is contradictory to your faith, then yes I feel that formally renouncing your membership is necessary. When you became a Delta, you took an oath to a lifetime commitment. If you can no longer honor that oath than yes, cut the ties completely. I am not saying this as a judgement or out of meaness, but I think it is only fair to the sorority that you officially remove your name from the rolls and return all official outward manifestations of your membership. That will completely release you from your lifetime commitment.

What's really going on?
 

My Sister,

I’ve read and re-read my previous posts in an attempt to acknowledge anything that I’ve said to offend you, but I can’t seem to figure out why you are taking the stand that you’ve taken with regards to my personal, God-mandated choice to be inactive. You seem to be taking my decision rather personally, and I’d love to talk with you in an effort to learn why that is. However, twice I’ve invited you to chat with me via PM, and twice you’ve declined. Consequently, I am compelled to respond to you in your comfort zone—a public forum.

If I were to draw an inference from your previous posts, I’d have to translate your words as such: "If you got a problem with the sorority, then why don’t you just get the %#@*& out!!!" Surely that’s not what you’re saying, considering such an attitude is not at all Christian and your org is founded on Christian principles. But, given your present commitment to the org and my past commitment, I think I can understand your hurt—after all, I am a counselor by trade, so let me at least take a stab at what you’re struggling with:

You are one of the GC folks who knew and loved the old me. I was a diehard, OUT member who was braced and ready to represent and defend the org at the drop of a hat. How can that same person go from being a GC moderator to a Jesus-freak who kicks the org to the curb? :confused: Is that how you’re feeling? You’re having a hard time grasping the idea that someone could so easily walk away, given all that we learn and go through to become members. Certainly, I must have never been committed to begin with to leave so easily, boldly, proudly, and confidently! How dare I come in here and tell the world that I choose not to affiliate myself with such an esteemed organization (whose name I've still never actually mentioned as the one I joined)-- an organization you yourself hold so dear. The more I think about it, the more I empathize. I finally understand your resentment and your ceaseless urging that I formally disassociate myself. My heart goes out to you. Here is where your use of the word painful is applicable. It is painful for you to sit back and watch me make what you’ve translated to be a personal attack on the org. So, rather than vent to me privately, you’d prefer to avenge the org via a public rebuke. The greeks need to know that I’ve been put in my place, and it seems that you’ve taken the liberty to do just that. I sincerely pray that I am wrong about all this. At the end of the day, I applaud your passion and determination. I love you, Sister, and it is that love for you, coupled with my desire to see you at your spiritual best that I must say this:

For me (and many other greeks I know, including Deltas), membership in a BGLO was a form of bondage. By bondage, I mean that, through my membership, I found myself outside of the divine will and word of God. Knowing that I was far from God because of my affiliation, I returned to Him through the saving, redeeming, all-powerful blood of Jesus Christ. When I confessed with my mouth the Lord Jesus and believed in my heart that God raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9-10), I was saved from a life of bondage (i.e. lifetime commitment). Make no mistake about it, it was GOD who called me out of the sorority. When I answered the call, and obeyed His instructions to repent and relinquish my affiliation, I was immediately removed from the rosters, figuratively speaking. God said to me: I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins… State your case, that you may be acquitted (Isaiah 43:25-26). That, dear woman of God, is what freed me from the lifetime commitment.

Let me break it down to you: Once saved, I was acquitted; once acquitted, I was freed;. Once freed I was no longer under any obligation to that which had me bound. That being said, there was not, is not, and never will be a need or justification for me to formally demit from the org. To do so, is to fulfill your proposed obligation to it, to you, or to the members who share your views, despite the fact that I’ve already fulfilled my sole obligation to Christ. My trust is in the living God, not in (wo)man (Psalm 118:8). I know that I have satisfied His requirement, thus I don’t have so little as an angstrom of concern about what is fair to a non-living organization. If it didn’t create me, I owe it nothing. If it didn’t save me, I owe it nothing. If it doesn’t call me, keep me, guide me, or bless me, I owe it nothing. I am God’s.

In my initial post, I stressed that I was speaking from my own experiences and relationship with God and I said that "a true Christian does not and will not ostracize another for being active, just as I expect others to respect my decision to be inactive." But, I have to tell you that--though I suspect it's not your intention at all-- I get the feeling that you’re berating me for a choice that I’ve made for myself based on my personal, unique relationship with my Lord and Savior. You must realize that your tone and deiberate public display might possibly prove my case rather than refute it. I can love and respect you for being an active member of Delta Sigma Theta, but I feel you aren’t giving me or passers-by much of an impression that you can love and respect me for opting not to be. Through spiritual discernment, I know what the conversations have been about me since I posted my response to frat2b. But, I'm spiritual and brave enough to welcome criticism, rebuke, and nasty-toned posts from anyone when they are the end results of my firm stand on the Word of God. After all, Jesus wasn't exactly prom king Himself. If I have to suffer, I'd rather suffer for Him.

I like what preachdawg said about doing a "fruit inspection." Jesus talked a lot about the fruit that we bear (Matthew 7:15-20) and Paul actually differentiates for us the bad fruit or "works of the flesh" (Galatians 5:19-21) from the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) that is displayed by those of us who belong to Christ. Notice that Paul says fruit rather than fruits, signifying that these nine attributes form a collective whole—neither can exist without the others. Everyday I make sure my fruit is good fruit, and I charge you, my Sister in Christ, to do the same. In doing this, it is my prayer that you are more mindful about the message and tone that you give off when you post. Should you choose to respond again, I hope you take me up on my offers (this makes 3) to talk privately, as this appears to be a very personal issue you have with me. (I am eager to hear that I am wrong in this assumption.)

Hit me up in a PM and I can address the oath issue from a scriptural standpoint. It would be inappropriate to do so here.

I don’t bite, I hug :D

Re: Is frat life good for Man of God?
 

I hope that you have found some of the answers you're looking for but I was wondering if you thought people in the Alpha forum or Kappa forum would give you different answers?

WOW!. You've become psychic, too. I was in no way offended by you or what you have said. (My post to preachdawg was but not to you.) But I am now.

I am not one of the ones who knew and loved the old you-- I only knew you from these boards and not for that long. I was not being facetious, mean, nor judgemental when I said you should officially renounce your membership. You have already done so verbally on here, so why not make it official? Are you just bluffing?

I am not hurt by your decision. I am still a Delta, why should I be hurt if you no longer want to be? And Delta is not my whole life because God has also given me other fulfillments just as He gave me Delta.

I choose to respond publicly because your initial post was made publicly. I see no reason to take it to PM (except to offer you the process for renouncement) because I am not divulging any secrets nor is it a personal attack as preachdawg implied. I sincerely thought I was going to be able to give you a tool to make your conversion complete.

You say that through spiritual discernment you are aware of what the conversations have been. What conversations? Are you sure it is spiritual discernment and not paranoia or even guilt?

And I don't see where anyone on this board has ostracized you. You are the one who said you no longer were a member. Again, I ask, if that is the case why are you so reluctant to turn in your pin and materials to the proper place. Surely you have no more need for them. Or maybe you plan on making a quick buck on e-bay.

Okay, I'm going to stop now. Since I am offended, my response is becoming unChristian-like, and I sure don't want to be accused of being possessed by the devil.

Lightening things up a bit
 

Frat2B,
The conversation over here wasn't hot enough for you--you had to take it to Kappa Korner and Alpha Avenue, too? But you forgot Iota Isle and Sigma Street. :D

This conversation is great, and that's why I'd love to here what other frats have to say on the matter.

I think this subject is probably a debateable issue in any Fraternity/Sorority, especially those that are said to be founded on Christian Principles. So who I really want to talk to are saved folks no matter what BGLO.

But trust me....It's either going to be Que Psi Phi or Nothing for me!

No Doubt!

thanks for all you folk's insight, im glad to see others understand where I'm coming from and some dealing with the issue currently.

It's funny that a question asking people to comment on being greek and a Christian has basically spawned an argument. Great example for this young brother. I feel the conversation between the two Deltas should have been held privately. Who has a conversation with their brother or sister about private family issues in public? I certainly don't. It really makes others question the strength of a family that does. Discretion is key and it seems that very little was used in this case. I know I'll be hated on but who cares.

Not psychic (which is witchcraft), just called of God and not ashamed of it. I am going to lift a strong and mighty prayer to the Father for you, my Sister. I hope you will be tremendously blessed as a result. :D

Re: Lightening things up a bit
 

Cuz, they in the bad neighborhood!

lolol just kidding, these are the jokes. :D