You're right!! those are the exact reasons why I think he's a creep and hope he loses!!!

Actually, my point was that these were common misconceptions, and that I had an opinion completely different. Sorry if I was unclear.

And, Rudey, i.e. "Economics", I also don't think that any of us can TRULY know the full economic spectrum that is the United States. Lord knows my little second degree in Economics from USC has not given me access to the privy information that is only made available to George Bush himself. None of us are completely informed about the goings-on of the budget, foreign influences, etc... I don't try to act like I know, which is also why I didn't publicize my opinion, because I'm not sure if it's right.

Down here, the common defense that republicans use when democrats say that their administrations have proven better economically is that the economy is in a 4 year cycle. So, the improvements that were made during Clinton's administrations were caused by Bush, and the former slump (I understand that our economy is on the uprise now, hence my pointing out the improvements in stocks) was caused by Clinton. Let me reitterate: this is the southern Republican's view. I personally think that this is contradictory seeing as how Clinton held an 8 year term, and some of the causes in the slump of the US economy were caused directly by the incidents of 9/11 and the international doubt of how the US economy would improve.

Sorry if I hated, ok, but people have been jumping down my throat on these boards lately, so I'm already a little on the defensive.

Now. Go at it. I'm sure you want to tear my theories apart.

And PS, I only have about a 3.4 in Economics, and a 3.8 in Music, so you can figure out which degree is my main one. ;)

Hey, at least you're educated.

My biggest pet peeve is when people are like, "Yeah, I'm a republican!" or "Yeah, I'm a democrat!" More often it's republican here, though... Anyway, my peeve is when people say that and then you bring up the issues with them, and they quickly end up changing their mind.

Personally, I think that the issues of gay marriage and abortion should be left up to the people, not the government. And personally, I think that guns are dangerous and having a right to arms doesn't mean we shouldn't have stricter regulations. And personally, I don't think we should drill for oil in one of the few places in America left that is still virtually complete nature. And personally, I don't think we should have Christians praying for Jews, Muslims, Buddhists (sp?), and Scientologists.

But, at least you are educated on the issues. That's all I ask from Republicans. If you are educated, and still oppose, then that is your perogative.

I don't know if Kerry is so great, but I agree with him on most issues. I will probably never agree with any candidate or political party 100%. If I agree with someone more than 50% of the time, that is my candidate. So far I agree with Sen. Kerry more than Pres. Bush.

Oh wait, I thought we were trying to have a reasonably intelligent discussion here. My bad.

yup, your bad :rolleyes: you dont have to be rude just bc i dont agree

thank you mam, i'm not an expert but my major was poli sci, so it's safe to say that i'm fascinated with the system. i know exactly why i believe what i believe. i also agree with you in that, i don't freaking care if you're a democrat as long as you know WHY. Good for you, you believe what you do as much as I believe what I do. Seriously!:D

If you think that You're right!! those are the exact reasons why I think he's a creep and hope he loses!!! is an intelligent contribution to this discussion, then go ahead and call me rude -- but I'd ask you to point out where I've been "rude" to anyone who expressed herself maturely and with proper grammar, whether she agrees with me or not. Your statement sounded to me like something somebody in second grade would say. Oh well, I guess that's why the "ignore" button exists.

Actually, a great deal of the time it's Democrats as well; maybe about 50/50. I've seen just as many unintelligent posts from both sides of the debate.

this is good enough for me...

(this is from an email i got from NARAL)

Please forgive me for not using proper grammar and taking time to write more intelligent statements. I was simply replying to YOUR statement that there are probably those out there who do not like him for the same reasons that you do like him. Next time I will write something along the lines of, "Why yes Ms. Valkyrie, you are correct in your assumption that there are many out there who would not vote for John Kerry for the same reasons that you would, myself included." IS THAT BETTER? And excuse me but telling someone that their post is not part of an intelligent discussion is pretty much calling then STUPID. What you said in your last post is quite possibly the dumbest thing anyone has ever said to me. You need to grow up and not get mad when people don't agree with you. THAT to me is pretty second grade, right up there along with the IGNORE button thing.
Warning to all other GCers out there: If you are going to disagree with this woman, please make sure you use proper grammar and make completely intelligent statements at all times. Otherwise, you're an idiot and have no clue what you're talking about! :rolleyes:

Maybe it's the use of hot button words like "creep" that cause the problem. I have to agree that they lower the tone and expectations of the conversation.

Your theories are wrong but I won't tear them apart :)

Nah Economics isn't this hard thing that you make it out to be. It is a simple social science that helps explain how the world works. Adam Smith and Marx were 2 of the greatest. You add in a little math and it becomes really quite beautiful.

Nobody has secret info. Yes the president might know (if he even understands, which I doubt) certain things earlier than others, but everyone ends up finding out. But the delay is a couple hours to a day at the most at the highest level and the accuracy would probably be better outside the public sector even.

The 4 year cycle...no but no president controls the economy. Additionally the markets are different from the economy although the neo guys might try and tie it in a bit more.

There is however one issue that matters in America - the economy. The war is nothing. You're wasting your time talking about it unless there is a massive draft and we're all dying. AIDS? Who cares. Space walks? Teachers? Who cares? The economy is what people vote on. Bob Dole will be the first one to tell Kerry exactly how difficult it is to challenge the succesful economic policies of a president.

-Rudey
--Bob Dole did not win

You've listed the very reasons why I will NOT vote for Kerry, give or take a few.

I admit that I'm very iffy about organized prayer in schools; I'm more for the moment of silence during which each may pray (or not pray) to their God/Creator/Cosmic Muffin.

As for guns, we need to enforce the laws we have, rather than make new ones that mean nothing to criminals.

If we don't expand our own oil resources, we will only grow more dependent on other countries.

And I heard properly, Kerry received an "F" from the Pope - the head of the religion he purports to be a member of.

A little while ago he was claiming to be Jewish so really, it's OK.

-Rudey