My reply did not say that PKA's used charcoal. And ignorance of history is no excuse.

OOPs, My Bad ARYA, thought you were a short pygmy for sure!:D

Question, moe_ron, what color do you bleed when cut and what color is the money that you spend?

Guess to me, that is the true colors for all races!:cool:

Ain't that a fact...

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

"First to fight, first to die... we will defend to the the death the right to be misinformed!" Sign in the combat journalist office in Full Metal Jacket.

Just want to toss this out there. Someone said they were "mimicking rappers" Sooooo all rappers are Dark Skinned? Not just Dark, but Black As All Hell?

Just wondering? Perhaps my TV is out of focus, but I could have sworn Ludacris had a whole "mochachino" thing going on.

They could have been rappers without being in Black Face. Besides, why anyone would want to mimick a rapper is BEYOND me.

Anywhoodiliny....

That's something my mother would say right before she blamed me for making her racist by discussing race relations with her and taking a different stance than hers.

No problemo.

sometime, the two party are yelling at each other. They should be listening to each other. Maybe, just maybe, they have more in common then they think.

It's all about spreading the good vibe man.

The university's decision is that Pi Kappa Alpha will be suspended until December 19, 2004. There will also be restrictions on the chapter's alcohol use for a longer time period. Additional requirements are community service, a written apology, and workshops on alcohol and code of conduct issues.

Associated Press story:

http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/G...FFF94B662F.asp

The 2 individuals that put it on were also expelled for 1 year.

while they might not know what a minstrel show is, unless they were in a coma the last 3 years, everyone heard about the Auburn case and the subsequent cases around the country of white fraternity members dressed up in blackface. in all the cases, negative publicity followed for the fraternity and the school. the obvious lesson would be-hey, don't dress up in blackface. it's a bad idea. but, in the south theses guys have the idea that they are untouchable. that daddy will hire a lawyer and make it go away.

some even try to invoke the constitution to protect their insensitivity. but when you attend a publically funded school and seek membership in organizations that have anti-discrimination clauses, you voluntarily forfeit some of those rights.

Only those rates in terms of your membership with that organization. As far as the school goes, these guys would have a pretty decent civil rights case against the school for this.

I've seen some pretty damned offensive speech get overlooked at public institutions. It just depends on how much it irks the administration and/or other students.

This case is a pretty good example of this. I think what the BSA chose to do -- posting pictures depicting these PKA's in KKK outfits with nooses around their necks was just as racially insensative -- if not more because of the fact that it was intentional.

From what I was able to read, the school essentially ignored the offensive actions of the BSA while coming down hard on the PKA's. One Pike's testimony stated that he had to surround himself with friends when he was on campus to avoid being physically assaulted. Based on that kind of testimony, one could make a pretty strong case that those flyers were "fighting words".

If a school is going to be against racially offensive speech, they should definitely be even-handed.

LOL@ktsnake. I'm sorry but I have read too much of your apologetic rhetoric for these people and none of the arguments make any sense. The BSA students, although had I been a member I would have argued against posting such posters, were depicting those idividuals as KKK members because it was blackface that the kkk and their friends, supporters, etc etc etc. did to mock and belittle black people, when, I might add, the people couldn't do anything about it. WELL, now something can be done about it and I DO NOT think there would be a strong civil rights case that could be made in those peoples' defense. I believe that the civil rights defense case would, instead, be made on behalf of the black students who had to experience such actions on the PUBLIC university campus. This is one of the intended purposes of all of the civil rights laws that have come down throughout this nation's history including the Fourteenth Amendment: to protect previously oppressed people and those that have been discriminated against from people JUST LIKE THIS.


There is a case that was argued before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1927 where the repondents approached the issue from the same standpoint that you are trying to present and it was put down. I will try to find it...it was Shelly v. ??? You will get even more of a basis for why I feel your side of the argument is faulty and wouldn't stand in the eyes of a civil rights sensitive court.

It's Shelly v. Kraemer. I couldn't find a link, but you're grown, I'm sure you can do that leg work :)

If I were not a frequenter of this site i would not have known about the Auburn Case or the other ones. Nor would I have know the significance in the way we are using it here.

Be wary of assuming that other people know things that you find obvious because those things are important to you.

I make that mistake all the time.

I also think this is bullshit.

I am anything but racist but seriously... These ralleys, demands, etc are rediculous.

The fraternity apologized for the two members; everybody makes mistakes and as a result of those mistakes, the members were punished. Should be end of story, but it isn't.

They have to go drag it out, having rallys and making rediculous demands... I'm seeing this as either a cry for attention or a lack of something better to do.
All I can say is wow. "predominantly white Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity" Is this absolutely necessary to say? Who is writing this article? Jeez. The university is 1/3 african american, a minority, so obviously the majority of its members will be just that... A majority. There's nothing racist about that... It is statistics and it is common sense. Sorry, that comment just kind of stood out to me.

Anyway, the point is that yes, two people messed up.. They've been punished and have apologized. With all due sympathy and compassion, get over it.

-Matt

My issue is this.

Why is the entire chapter being punished for the actions of 2 members? The 2 members were suspended and at the event they washed it off. It's not like the fraternity was holding a "Blackface Party" and all of them showed up that way.

It's akin to if my organization holds a Halloween party and 2 members decided to show up as Venus and Serena Willaims, complete with Tennis outfits, dread wigs and blackface. I had no knowledge they were going to show up that way, neither did the majority of the organization. Why punish the rest of us, just because we have 2 morons in our midst?

I'm sure every chapter out there has had a member or 2 do something that you find irreprehensible. I don't have full time control over my brothers and neither do y'all.

So, the offending members have paid their price. Don't punish the rest of the brothers.

Kitso
KS 361