I have a copy of this magazine. I am going to read the article today or tomorrow when I have time. :)

exactly......i can see a lot of bad drama going on with this article and book. i mean the author comes right out and uses the actual sorority names and where they were located....that's not right. i mean potentially these chapters (if still active on the campuses) could hurt during recruitment because Potential New Members could read that article or the book and think that those things still go on.

i'm waiting to see the author get sued for using the sorority names to deface them.....i mean those examples she used were up to 7 or 8 years old.....times have changed since then, especially since 2000 or so.

The author is a moron. I saw her on 60 minutes when they did the story on Skull and Bones, and everything she said were things that people already knew or had already hear about. She didn't say anything new.

Thank you, the same TWIT!:o

Well I guess sensationalism is the Key Word!:rolleyes: ARRRG in my best Charley Brown or Snoopy voice!:eek:

I can't believe that Alpha Sigma Alpha was named. It makes me so sad to see things like this. I'm most defintely writing to the editor on this one.

I posted a topic on the teen vogue people forum. called "thinking about joining a sorority?" I asked girls to post their questions and i also directed them to this site. if anyine wants to field questions just check and see what people have posted.

Where is the forum, Adelphian1851? I'd like to take a look at it. :)

http://www.teenvogue.com/forums/people/
No ones posted any questions yet, and i don't know the ages of the girls who typically post but I figured it was worth a shot. I suppose we could all post expirences if no girls ask us anything directly.

i haven't read the magazine article and the link to the T.V. site wouldn't work for me, however, here's my view on this - i totally agree with some of you that if these hazing's were done so many years ago that it's misleading to report them in a magazine as a current risk, but it does seem strange that for so many of you being anti hazing you are so quick to want to discredit someone who wants to to shed light on the subject. i realize you strongly believe in the organizations you belong to and obviously don't want potential members to think that greek life as a whole has a major hazing problem, but, it IS a problem, isn't it? i'm not saying that every fraternity or sorority hazes it's pledges, but lets face it, it does go on more than some of you apparently want others to think, or at least that's the impression i'm getting. most of the people i know do believe that if you join, you'll be hazed. i'm willing to believe that it's not like that across the board but i don't think it's responsible to promote the lie that it doesn't happen or rarely happens. there's already so much pressure for people to stay quiet about it and accept that it goes on. it just seems odd because i've read many opinions in other threads encouraging people to report hazing, and here you have someone who is trying to get the warning out and many of you attack her or say she shouldn't name names. maybe you feel she's not a credible source, but given how so much hazing is going on at the highschool level, i think that only encourages it to go on in college, so young people do need to be warned that it's wrong, even if you'd think that most people should naturally understand that it's wrong to have fun abusing or humiliating others in the first place. that's what's really sad.

These are good points, and I think we understand what you're saying. But I think what is so disturbing about this article is that it completely ignores the HUGE strides all sororities and fraternities have taken to completely eliminate ALL hazing from new member programming.

Being a member of one of the sororities mentioned, it makes me sad that all the progress we've made to that extent can be completely written off by this woman, who, you have to admit, does seem to want to sensationalize hazing to her own profit.

I see you're a new poster on here, so I'm not sure if you're a greek or not. But any member of a national GLO on these boards can testify to the huge changes that have been made, especially in the last few years, to ensure that women and men DO feel safe joining a GLO and that hazing will not occur in their chapters. And these changes will continue to occur, until all hazing is eliminated completely. Yet simultaneously, this woman can publish this article, and the rumors and lies about Greek life will be perpetuated. Is the Greek system perfect now? No. Does hazing still occur? Probably. Have GLOs devoted significant time, money, and personnel to ensuring that infrastructure and policies are in place to deal with and stop hazing in their chapters? Yes. Hazing in our chapters is not acceptable to our national organizations and THAT is why people are so upset about this.

Concerned, I am not saying that hazing doesn't happen. Sometimes it does... and probably within my own organization. However, I don't think it's as prevalent as you or Alexandra want to believe. I don't know ANYONE who has been hazed. The majority of sorority (and going out on a limb here, I'd include fraternity) members here at this site have not been hazed. Hazing is not a MAJORITY event.

don't get me wrong, i completely understand the points you guys make, and if i belonged to a sorority that used to haze but now doesn't, and an article came out in a magazine that named my sorority as one that used to haze without clarifying that it no longer does, i'd be upset too, especially if great measures were taken to ensure that it DOESN'T occur anymore. however, there is no "maybe" or "probably" when it comes to the fact that it DOES go on, and it seems like some people already in the greek system whose group doesn't haze try to paint a picture of hazing as some kind of myth when it's clearly not. i do know of a few sororities that haze and i'd never consider or would want to join anyway. my point is, for those of you who don't, have never seen it happen and don't know of any chapters where it goes on - which, sorry, i find a little hard to believe, unless your definition of hazing leaves room for things you personally see as harmless, even though it may actually be demeaning - you tend to send a false message if only for the reason that, aside from what i just said, comes only from not having seen it firsthand. it's like when there's a poll of some kind you know, how they say that you can't get accurate results based soley on people you specifically know and ask, it never gives a true representation. still, i'm very glad that you guys take a firm stand against hazing.

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hello all- this is my first time on this website... but here it goes.
I have got to say that hazing is something that def. went on clear through the 90's, both in subtle and not-so-subtle forms- at least in the majority of established chapters in the South. I personally was hazed during my pledge period, which was in 1995. I have been an advisor for the last 4 and have only noted a change over the last two years. There are, in fact, many chapters on the campus I work with, which shall remain nameless- of course- that still do haze. Now, the tactics are certainly a lot more subtle than they in previous years, but it is still very prevalent. In addition, when I lived in the chapter house, there was around 20 woman residing there, and 15 had eating disorders. They would either starve, purge and binge, or work out 5 hours a day while eating carrot sticks and lettuce. And, as far as binge drinking/drug use, I would have to say that you are kidding yourself if you truly believe that the majority of college-aged women,-regardless of whether or not they are in a sorority- do not binge drink or use drugs or both- which also lends to increased sexual activity. SO, I would have to say that I agree with the article on many points. But, I do not think that it fully encompasses all the aspects of sorority life, as there is much more to it than hazing and partying. BUt one who have to be sporting some serious rose-colored glasses to believe that hazing & partying go hand in hand with volunteering & school- and that these women are simply products of our society.

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sorry- regarding the part about the rose colored glasses- I meant that they have got to be pretty thinkif you do NOT believe that partying & hazing go right along with school & volunteering...

I am multi-tasking here...;)

realistically, every girls greek expirence is diffrent, it is impossible to say every sorority is one way or another, In my chapter I wasn't hazed at all, however I knew of a couple of orgs on campus that did haze even if it was minor. Binge drinking and drug use is a personal choice and while I did my share of partying it was never in excess and I most certianly was not promiscuious. Our girls looked out for each other but ultimately it was our choice what decisions we made. Other girls in my chapter did not make the same decisions as me so their intrepretation of sorority life would be diffrent from mine. In actuality the Freshman Dorms had a worse reputation for drug and alchol abuse on my campus than the greeks did. But I digress things are going to be diffrent no matter where you go, I suggested posting a response so that the girls reading that article could get some advice from bona fide sorority women not just someone out to make a buck off our sordid past. I wonder if someone wrote a true to life account of her sorority expirence if anyone would read it?

" Today my big sister gave me a huge stuffed lion and a card that said how happy she is to be my sister. Then we had a new member orientation session and learned about the sororitys history i'm soo proud to be in the first sorority ever!"

theres some exciting reading or how about.

"I went to the XYZ frat party last night and boy do i have a hang over. Thank god my sister rescued me from that total looser who was hitting on me."

Hey maybe I should write a magazine article.