I would be intersting to figure out when the first time that Alpha Phi Omega and Omega Psi Phi were on the same campus.. MIght be 1946 at Johnson C Smith, but may be eariler. I don't have a good feeling when large Historically White schools in the north like University of Michigan (for example). started getting NPHC chapters.

And no one uses what an actual person from Greece would consider the "best" transliteration. A F O.

Another question on Q = Omega, do the other members of the NPHC use Q for omega in describing chapter names?


Moving back to Chants and songs. Has anyone actually used any of the songs in the History Book on campus in the last two decades or so?

Randy

Although Alpha has no chapters with "Omega" in the name (except Omega Chapter itself) I know that a few ALA grad chapters (which end in Omega) do indeed use "Q" as an abbreviation. For example, I think Eta Omega Omega in New York goes by HQQ or EQQ for short.

The FIRST time APO and Omega Psi Phi were on the same campus.....from my research it appears that was Beta Chapter of APO and Omicron Psi Chapter of Omega, both established in 1927.

When I was pledgemaster, the Spring 2001 line at Mu Alpha did have to learn several of "the" APO songs during their last week. I think it's important to teach what we have before making it up from scratch.

Qs at U of Pitt.
 

Web page for Qs at U of Pitt says
Founded March 10, 1927 by Brother J.D.Advent
9th Floor Schenley Hall
Chartered March 10, 1928

Any idea on the difference between founded and chartered? I didn't realize that the NPHC had chapters at HWI that early.

Cool on the use of songs, but some of the tunesare a wee bit dated. I look at the creation of stepping chants as being much more up to date.


Randy

Re: Qs at U of Pitt.
 

Perhaps chartered for them means when they were recognized by the university, but I really don't know.

Uh Randy, yes you did know that NPHC orgs had chapters at HWI's that early.....Cornell....1906?

About dated song....bet you didn't know that Alpha has a song to the tune of "Danny Boy."

Re: Qs at U of Pitt.
 

Yeah, most NPHC's are not just at hbcu's but a hwi as well. some of them started early.

Alpha Phi Alpha - Cornell - 1906
*head slap*
And the two that started in Indiana.

Your assessment of my stupidity is appreciated.

Randy

Not stupidity, just an oversight. :)

Now you know...I will not let that one go! Kappa Alpha Psi at Indiana University and the wonderful Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc. at Butler University.

*Aww come on now, you knew I was going to represent!

lol you guys are funny...Randy...I think and this is just my opinion, but I think that when they are founded are when they got it together on their campus and when they are chartered is when they are officially recognized by the fraternity nationally. For example if we started a pg here in 2001 and then when chartered with the frat 2002 we would use the 2001 as a founding date for historical purposes.

Hyper...

Yup. Just couldn't remember those off the top of my head. I'm too close to Howard U. :) :)

Attractive. Maybe. I don't know enough about the extension process for Omega Psi Phi today, much less 70+ years ago...

Randy

Randy brings up another interesting subject
 

Someone told me as a PG that most of the HBCU's chapters of APO were founded by Ques? I don't know how true that is because my charter advisors were in a variety of NPHC's orgs, that could be one reason why some say A PHI Que. I would like to know if it is true and if so, how many other chapters were founded by NPHC members (mainly members of NPHC's before joining our org)?

No clue unfortunately, but love to know...

Randy

Tenn State
 

The Psi Phi chapter were founded by Omega Psi Phi men. Our frat benches are right next to each other.

Strawter:cool:

Yeah thats interesting, cause the Alpha Phi Omega Fraternity shield is right next to the Que's shield in the "Punchout." (our take out place on campus)

Re: Tenn State
 

Alpha Phi Omega til the that i die...Psi Phi chapter founded by the Mighty RHO PSI...