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decadence 03-05-2004 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey:...I don't care what the Church did. And the source of your article makes it a joke....
Huh? The article was a piece which originally appeared in a national newspaper (Ireland) publicising/giving opinion+commentary on a book. The surrounding issues frequently crop up. All the info in it and facts from it were simply commentary on said book. The book was written by Yale history professor John E. Boswell, professor & late former chairman of Yale's history department. It won the American Book Award for history in 1981?

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Originally posted by: Love_Spell_6: Didnt even read your source...because I already got one..THE BIBLE!! If u want to know if gay marriage was ever condoned...read about Soddom and Gomorrah..and the other scriptures where the Bible refers to a man lying down with another man. Is this really even a point of contention?
Love_Spell_6 huh? Yes it is a form of 'contention' thus the debates which keep cropping up on here? Such as this thread which discusses the "THE BIBLE!!" and what it does/doesn't "condone".

Rudey 03-05-2004 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Wow, can't stay away, can you? Your job must be sooooo demanding, it's a wonder that you can be so absorbed in posting on a subject that on which you have nothing relevant to say, but instead make incorrect statements about a tangent post and then get angry when no one cares.

Anyways, if anyone actually has something to say about the original post, I'm interested to hear it.

Actually my job is demanding. Without people like me, the economy would crumble and you wouldn't have food to eat. The streets you walk on would be worse than the dirt streets of Haiti, your airports wouldn't meet demand, and your schools couldn't educate a single child.

While you're busy putting your crap up and throwing insults at me instead of replying to a single thing I post, you forgot to realize I have a job that people kill for. I will make three times what you make, learn every single day, meet with the top minds in banking and politicians, and actually help people. What do you do?

-Rudey
--Again, no response to my post to you...just insults.

Rudey 03-05-2004 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Ok, I didn't want to swerve onto this subject, but fine, since you ask, here it is:

Leviticus 25
44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

That's a quote from the bible. It is now outdated and known to be wrong, in the same way as the homosexual reference is. The bible says alot of things, and not all of them are "right" or relevant in today's world.

Do you actually think into these things? The slavery of then is very different - where household help and indentured servitude would qualify under the term "slavery". There was a plague thrown upon Egypt for slavery - a slavery that resembles modern day terms.

-Rudey
--You're ignorant and foolish

Rudey 03-05-2004 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by decadence
Huh? The article was a piece which originally appeared in a national newspaper (Ireland) publicising/giving opinion+commentary on a book. The surrounding issues frequently crop up. All the info in it and facts from it were simply commentary on said book. The book was written by Yale history professor John E. Boswell, professor & late former chairman of Yale's history department. It won the American Book Award for history in 1981?

Love_Spell_6 huh? Yes it is a form of 'contention' thus the debates which keep cropping up on here? Such as this thread which discusses the "THE BIBLE!!" and what it does/doesn't "condone".

The info is on a personal webpage that copied it from Ireland.com supposedly. Forgive me, but what top notch writers work for Ireland.com?

-Rudey

decadence 03-05-2004 07:04 PM

Rudey, in fairness it is not a personal homepage. It is the official Irish Times homepage itself and that article was posted Tuesday, August 11, 1998. However, since then the site (click about us at bottom of article) was "in March 1999 the site relaunched as ireland.com". It is simply a national newspaper of Ireland and now has a more appropriate domain name. The article isn't "discoveries" by journalist 'John Duffy', he simply gives an overview/comments on the Professor John Boswell's work.

Rudey 03-05-2004 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by decadence
Rudey, in fairness it is not a personal homepage. It is the official Irish Times homepage itself and that article was posted Tuesday, August 11, 1998. However, since then the site (click about us at bottom of article) was "in March 1999 the site relaunched as ireland.com". It is simply a national newspaper of Ireland and now has a more appropriate domain name. The article isn't "discoveries" by journalist 'John Duffy', he simply gives an overview/comments on the Professor John Boswell's work.
http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/salamandir/

Drizzle.com is the webhost.

Salamandir is the user.

Cloud9 posted this and not the original site. Why?

Let's put that aside and look at the Irish Times. What top writers write for it?

The writer that provided comments on Boswell's work, what qualifications do they have? I assume most people who move onto providing commentary are more distinguished than those they comment on if they're experts.

As for the subject matter, I will again say I have no interest. This is the Church and for Christians to care for. If I had a larger desire to keep up with Christian history then maybe I would care too - but I don't. I simply care when someone posts something false that I know about. Big difference. Do you see?

-Rudey

decadence 03-05-2004 08:00 PM

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...Cloud9 posted this and not the original site. Why?
Let's put that aside and look at the Irish Times. What top writers write for it?
...The writer that provided comments on Boswell's work, what qualifications do they have? I assume most people who move onto providing commentary are more distinguished than those they comment on if they're experts.
Don't know. Possibly though as on the original Ireland Times site it requires you to register and log in to view article like the NY Times etc all do and some people on GC don't like that hassle so a site where a copy of the article is, is simply easier. A quick glance at Google shows a bunch of places with a copy of the article which don't require a login as at http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/new...081100088.html.
Drizzle.com is indeed the webhost, the user appears to have copied the entire Ireland.com site interface to give (as occurred at first to me) the impression otherwise, illegally.

I thing there's very little chance the journalist is more distinguished academically than the late Yale Professor, history dept chairman and award winner himself! Sensibly he does not make attempt to debunk or push forward opinions on the research itself or make any unsupported claims of his own without authorites. His article is headed 'Opinion' and is almost a review/commentary of the Professor's book.

The article says "...Many questionable historical claims about the church have been made by some recent writers in this newspaper. ... Boswell's academic study however is so well researched and sourced as to pose fundamental questions for both modern church leaders and heterosexual Christians about their attitude towards homosexuality".

So as a historian/academic he simply feels moved to write based on recent debate in the newspaper but - being an academic - cites a distinguished source in making the stance.

ETA: And yes I see your position.


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