Wow...after reading the original post I feel the Greek love.

Regarding private schools, I also went to Catholic schools for 13 years. For some reason, Hawai`i is very private school happy. I'd say that for every 5 public schools, there's at least 1 private/parochial school. I *wanted* to go to public school so badly, but it was the all-girls' school or boarding school, so I didn't have a choice. Anyway, I was also one of those that had tons of public school friends..and I never really saw the difference in student life. While on interschool exchange, the only difference I saw with them and us was the fact that we had religion classes and that we had Mass every first Friday. 95% of my classmates went on to continue their education, whether it be at a 4 year university, a community college, or a technical school.

Regarding the original topic...it doesn't matter what your opinions are of the chapter of XYZ at your university. GC really isn't the avenue to bad-mouth them. Just because you think they're hardcore geeks and nerds doesn't dispel the fact that they have a brotherhood. And I think we should all be respectful of that.

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Yes, Colonist, sometimes it is rude to point out obvious things. It is also sometimes unnecessarily hurtful - like in the case of naming the fraternity in question. No one disagrees with what you said, but that statement is true about ANY sorority or fraternity (even your holy Sigma Chi) and you don't always have to "name names".

I will assume that you meant no harm, since you did omit the name of the fraternity finally.

Incidently, the XYZ's that I know are great.

i went to a very small public school. i gratuated with 23, which was the biggest class. out of the twenty three only 3 went to college. it was a small oil town, most of the people there are little spoiled rich kids so when they gratuate they just inherit their fathers oil business. so they will probably make more money than i will with my degree. but thats life.

Again my point was I was suprised at the difference between two geographically close chapters, and I actually have met over half their active brothers and every single one of them was a geek. I didn't start this thread to bad mouth anyone I was making a point that I had not realized and figured many others hadn't yet. I've known people who've already decided what fraternity they want to join BEFORE even meeting them. The point of my original post was to dissuade things like that. So, for the second time my apologies to anyone who misconstrude the meaning of this post.

Do you see the problem in calling someone a "geek?"

No.

One question which school do you attend in DC?

Hummm.... well all I can say at least you didn't say what fraternity you were talking about. ... as for the whole private public school thing... I went to public school and most of my class went off to college... Umm... 2 people to Princeton, 1 person to Harvard... 5 to UCLA 6 to Cal 5 to Stanford..... 1 to brown 1 to NYU... 1 to Dartmouth.... the list goes on... so just because you went to public school doesn't mean that you aren't going to go to college...
I do have to admit though that I kinda had blinders because I sorta assumed all schools were like mine.. (public and Private) and most people went off to college.. (some better ones than others... but most people went) but I recently realized that a lot of high schools weren't like mine and someone going off to school... (especially schools like those listed above) is fairly rare... at some high schools
one of my sisters is from up state new york and she is the only person in her class to go to school across the country.. (IN fact I believe she told me the only one who left New York) and she went to a small private school in up state New York.

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Isn't it the point of joining a (inter)national GLO to meet so many different people and still have the everlasting bond of sister/brotherhood, even if the person is totally different from you?

I think we all know that not everyone in our GLO is a clone of ourselves. I would not want anyone one of you men to meet a stripper in a club and have her tell you she is a Pi Phi...and then meet me and ask for a lap dance.:p

I personally am glad that not everyone in Pi Phi is the same. Yes, they are very similar to each other in the south(esp. in Texas)...but i love meeting such a diverse group of people, and you will always have something in common with them.



Amen to that. The Sigma Chi's I know are pretty diverse as well...some might even go as far to classify themselves as
*gasp* "geeks"....and are dang proud of it. They will be the ones making the big bucks after college anyway.

There are four active Sigma Phi Epsilon chapters in Wisconsin. I'll use them since none of their chapters are weak. I've met brothers from all four chapters and none of them have anything in common other than the pin that they wear. The same can be said for the four Gamma Phi Beta chapters in Wisconsin, and I'm sure some of the other national groups here. Look at it this way: different people go to University of Wisconsin than to Lawrence University, so of course fraternity chapters there are going to attract different brothers.

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That is a myth. I've heard that all the time its simply not true. Guys who have good social skills are a success. Geeks are just the ones who end up working in cubicles. Sure people use Bill Gates as an example of the geek being a success. However, look at the Bush family, look at Clinton, Reagan, etc. None of these guys were geeks they all partied pretty hard but were charismatic guys. Charisma and personability trumps socially inept intelligence everytime.

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Bush had family money to fall back on. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar - that's not easy. I don't know anything about Reagan other than Reaganomics and we won't talk about that. :D

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It is when you weasle your way into being the driver for Senator Fulbright while you are an undergrad.

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A. So your telling me that a guy who graduated from *insert community college here* is going to beat a guy who graduated from Yale with top honors just because he has social skills?

B. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Bill Gates drop out of college?

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Seems like my high school was like yours, pixell -- a significant portion of the people I graduated with wouldn't have been caught dead in college...and sadly to say, even if they had gone to college, they probably wouldn't have made it through freshman year. Not that my school was particularly bad, but yeah, I was definitely a "nerd" according to some of their standards because I *gasp* studied!

Now, while they're off having their 5th kid in so many years, living off welfare, I'll be actually doing something with my life, thank you!