this back on forth thing....


i dunno...it doesn't make sense...these boards are for comfort and conversation.

it seems to get a little personal...



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Rain Man:

Just Noticed said:

"...is that it seems like everything is privelged information when the bglo greeks respond. I mean I am not trying to be disrespectful but seriously why do yall even bother with a public forum if you can not tell anybody anything or if you do tell
them somthing you just tell them to go and do your research.

I Know I see BGLO in that statement and I know I see a "yall" referenced in the statement, which implies that he/she is asking the question of BGLO members. NOT that no one else can answer, but he/she did say "why do y'all bother..."

AS far as the first response being a "look down", I think 33girl's response was far from that. I think, she. as a non-BGLO member, was addressing the issue from her standpoint, that of soemone who may or may not be interested. It pleases me thatshe could undertsnad what members mean when we suggest someone to "research." Additionally, in response to prettygyrl's posts, I would suggest treating posts and separate. That post has nothing to do with this one. Perhapsm that was the post that Just Noticed was originally referring, but that was a totally different post altogether. And prettygyrl did NOT specifically address the BGLOs, Just Noticed did.

There is also a difference between valid and appropriate. Please understand this. Just as in research there is a difference between validity and reliability. To be valid, simply means that the qiestion is in good form, and will probably produce quality results each time it is asked. However, inappropriateness implies that , although the question IS valid, it probably should be addressed in an alternative way. No one said the question was NOT valid or attempted to In-validate the question. Members simply said INAPPROPRIATE.

Finally, because you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about the processed throguh which BGLO members go throguh to be a member, I don't feel it necessary to defend myself as it pertains to humility.

You should THINK before posting statement simply for the sake of arguing...it really is unbecoming.

Rain Man said:

I guess I am saying to BGLOs, if you must respond, please be tactful, not hostile and
defensive. You don't know what the true motive of a person asking is, so just give a
response, that while they won't know anything more about your org they could otherwise
research about, they will know more OF the basic topic of the question asked.

That's a good point Rain Man. But, please also understand where many of us a re coming from when we feel that some people are really trying to get us to divuldge information that we feel they should attain on a more personal level. If you cannot, then it is not meant for you to understand, but don;t bash us for taking a stance.

Additionally I KNOW that part of the reason some respond the way they do is because we actually WANT people to think about the questions they are asking and the responses that they are seeking. Feel me? Maybe not...

PEACE

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(Originally posted by DELTABRAT)

"....because you obviously know NOTHING about the process through which a BGLO member goes through...."

Hold up, stop the clock, LONGSHOT!!! *screeching of brakes, sound of loud crash*
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Don't let my non-NPHC affiliation fool you. If you don't know what my process entailed, please do not make below-the-belt assumptions, because IMHO my process rivaled that of ANY BGLO AND I would do it again in a heartbeat!

Now with that outta the way...

I read your recent post and again, I agree. The general consensus of the BGLO members from what I read basically tells me that there is a form of "etiquette" for prospectives that we as Greeks take for granted as common knowledge based on our own personal experiences, but may not hold true for all prospectives.

I appeal to those out in Black Greekdom to write a book on Black Greek etiquette and to make what we know as inappropriate approaches to brothers/sisters asking for info on their respective organization(s).

I think Lawrence Ross should be commended for writing The Divine Nine, but I think this needs to go to the next level. I have seen individual webpages from various Black Greeks on how to approach members of the organization (IMHO, The DeltaNet's "So You Want To Be A Delta" is so far the BEST and most comprehensive of them all), but we need to publish something in bound print form, because believe it or not, not everyone is hip to the Internet, or uses it on a grand scale.

I'll even kick it off, if yall want me to.

Who's with me?

Peace and pizzagrease

Da Rain Man


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Rain Man:

I wasn't going to respond, but I have to...because I am an Internet Junkie...but that's another story.

I do not contest the respect and love you had for your intake process, indeed I don't know what it entailed. At the same time, because you don't know what mine entailed or any other members of BGLOs, I feel that your questioning humility was indeed, hitting-below-the-belt. I, in reponse, hit back. I shouldn't have done that, but I did.
If you are a man (as the name Rain Man implies), I apologize. Hitting women below the belt doesn't have quite the same *STING* for women as it does a male. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

PEACE

PS

I would have e-mailed you personally, but..well...you know.

Ok, I'm a bit confused here. On this forum and other forums, I have seen more than a couple of prospects who have "questions". As an interest myself, I just want to know what are these "questions" that seem so important that you MUST find them out from a BGLO member over the 'Net? If it was such an innocent and open question, then you could ask a member on your campus, right? Wrong, that's why I think most ask the questions here.

I don't think anyone is steered in the wrong direction or should be discouraged when someone says do your research. If you hear something enough times, don't you think there is some merit to it?

When I decided to pursue membership in a BGLO I read everything I could get my hands on that had to do with the subject. This means, use your LIBRARY and yes, the Internet. If you can't find out what you need to know by the public route, then it must not be for you to know.

It seems like everyone always wants to knock members of BGLOs when they can't find some information. And yes, I have seen those that seem to think they can speak in any disrespectful manner to a member and still expect to find out what they know. All behind the guise of their screenname. Be yourself, be respectful, attend programs and continue doing the things you need to do in order to better yourself as a person...TO ME this is all you need to know.

Sorry for the long post guys, but I feel like sometimes people are just afraid of a little hard work. No one said the road that leads to Greekdom would be an easy one.

I am not in anyway referring to anyone personally, but speaking in general, because as an interest I've seen this subject pass my way w/o a response too many times.

Take Care,
Cookee

But the fact remains that you are not a member of a BGLO so therefore you do not know the process.

(Originally posted by MandingoNUPE)
"...I still don't think you get it..."

I get it perfectly.

"...if you have to wonder to yourself 'Should I ask this question, you probably shouldn't'...."

As it has became perfectly clear, the appropriateness of a question on Greek life is highly subjective and is largely a judgment call on the person(s) asked, regardless of if the person is a BGLO member or not. Otherwise, Greeksource registration should only be limited to GLO members only, if that is the case.

"...we get tired of the same old questions that you know we can't and won't answer..."

You should know by now you will always be asked by someone at some point, so you might as well get used to it.

Some tactful answers (for those who GOTTA put their $19.XX in)

"Long story"
"Can't answer that"
"Not at liberty to discuss it"

Sweet, simple, assertive, to the point. No long spiels about being the elite this and the priviledged that.

MandingoNUPE, the rest of your post I responded by saying "No $#!t, I know that already."

I think that for prospectives to have to walk on eggshells to inquire about Greek life is silly and ridiculous, especially if the inquirer knows nothing about Greek life at all.

All I am appealing to the BGLOs is to be tactful; biting someone's head off is unjustified and unnecessary.

Rain Man:

You kill me with the beginning of your posts description thingy. I actually find myself trying to visualize what it is you are describing.

Anyway,

I really think you should listen to yourself speak instead of trying to argue. What blu_theatrics and I am saying is basically what you are saying. Just as we don't know what your process entailed (although you are adamant that it parallels that of a BGLO process...I won't even ask how you know this), you also don't KNOW what our process entailed, so please don't speak on that which you do not know.

I hate to sound childish but here goes...

"You started it." Yes, you did, with the whole humility comments from jump. You don't know what is learned as it applies to humility, so why speak on it.

By the way, blu_theatrics is a Sigma Gamma Rho...see...nevermind.

PEACE

Did Rain Man ever say what Fraternity he was in? I don't recall it. He said he wasn't NPHC-affiliated. From what I understand, he could still be in a BGLO, or any other "non-traditional" (read not NIC or NPC) GLO that would be similar to those NPHC in the way the work, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

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Corbin- RainMan is a member of Alpha Phi Omega.

ZetaAce

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Rain Man,

One of the things that I was taught, (and kontinue to be taught) is humility. I offer you an olive branch, with the knowledge that I somewhat understand your point, and hope that you can somewhat understand mine. We can agree to disagree on things.

MN

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
[B]Rain Man:

You kill me with the beginning of your posts description thingy. I actually find myself trying to visualize what it is you are describing.

Deltabrat

Log on to www.geocities.com/~randy_amasia/whew/index.html

You will get the "Whew" homepage. Also, scroll down to the bottom and click on "Whew strategy" for more elaborate info.

In any case, your visualization should begin to crystallize (I hope).

Don't forget to click on the soundbites, 'cause they're cool.

I'm Out

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[This message has been edited by Rain Man (edited July 20, 2000).]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:
[B]Rain Man,

One of the things that I was taught, (and kontinue to be taught) is humility. I offer you an olive branch, with the knowledge that I somewhat understand your point, and hope that you can somewhat understand mine. We can agree to disagree on things.

I accept your olive branch, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Keep on representin' and postin'

I'm Out

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*BZZZZ* BLOCK! *trilon (flippy box) reveals a villian's head next to a red octagon with a diagonal slash in the middle*
Five second penalty!

Unless you PERSONALLY saw me on line for my fraternity, please DO NOT tell me what process I do and do not know.

Furthermore, assuming you are in a BGLO, the only process you can speak for is for your own organization and maybe Phi Beta Sigma's, if you are a Zeta. In all fairness, you CANNOT speak for any other GLOs process, simply because you are not a member.

Please proceed with another $ amount
(Another "Whew" thang)



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