I think that was a bit harsh...She seems to just be wondering about the reality of a sorority as contrasted with the NPC rule against hazing-a perfectly reasonable question. I don't think she implied that it was fun or desirable. I also think you should probably censor comments saying that you hope a PNM isn't going to your organization-it's pretty mean considering she started this board and has definitely read your reply.

I think I'm OK with her having read my reply.

I would hope NONE of my sisters entered the organization with this kind of immature, half-baked mindset.


"Of course, hazing is supposed to be prohibited on our campus, but everyone knows it happens anyway."

Everyone? Like who? I think we can assume non-greeks. Because (1) I'm very doubtful there are hazing organizations on her campus who like to broadcast the fact and (2) if she WAS hearing this from greeks, she could have gotten more information from her source directly.


"Lol, now that I'm this close, I've started worrying about what the girls might do to me."

Now that she's this close? Doesn't sound like she thought through the process very much. She's got a responsiblity to herself to check something like this through if she has issues about it.


"During initiation and everything, what are some things that I might have to do?"

This just seems disrespectful toward her group of choice -- whichever it might be. Did she expect to jump on an internet chat board, ask about ritual and hazing procol, and get dozens of explicit replies back?



What can I say, this girl just rubbed me the wrong way. To me, she seems immature, unresponsible, flighty, and in general NOT the kind of new member most groups would want.

HotDamnImaPhiMu- why are you being so mean? Unfortunately, hazing does happen at some places and it is only natural that the original poster might be worried about it if that is the case at her school. When people post with questions like this, they want advice, not to feel attacked.

at any rate, Phi Mu is not one of the groups at PinkShipChick's school.

PinkShipChick asked a question about hazing which does still occur at some schools regardless of NPC or campus rules. I think that she should be told what her options are in case she finds herself in a hazing situation. I think that she is just concerned about rumors that she may have heard.

If she thinks that certain Groups Haze for god sake, ignor them like fly paper and bad breath!

Is that so hard. I am sure that the word does get out of who may and who may not haze!

Is this a Rocket Science School!??:(

There are to many Great Greek Organizations to join! Just because a certain one LOOKS GOOD, dont make it right!;)

The problem is there are rumors and then there are facts. She doesn't know for sure that they haze. If she drops a group based on inaccurate rumors and not facts, she could miss out on a great opportunity to go greek.

You made quite a judgment about this girl based on ONE post!?!? Geez I'm glad I've never crossed paths with you...

Let's review.

(1) She made it clear she didn't research her options. Going to any GLO's website would've cleared up any confusion about hazing, as would the Student Life office, the org. itself..... basically anyone OTHER than whatever non-greek told her that the sorority she's considering joining hazes. And now she's looking toward internet chat boards for her information?

(2) She's asking for ritual information on a public website. I, for one, find this insulting. I'd hate it if she was asking about Phi Mu and I hate it knowing she's asking about DZ or Chi O or GPhiB or whoever she's asking about.

(3) She's being flippant about something I, for one, take very seriously. My sisterhood is built on trust and honor and all those other good things that come with NOT ABUSING YOUR PLEDGES. And I know y'alls are the same way -- built on a sisterly love that comes from knowing your sisters are looking out for you.



yeah, I'm making a judgement about her based on one post. Could you be more specific about what confused you?

I agree...and I hate to say this but the majority of my friends who joined sororities got hazed to some degree. It is even very prevalent on my campus (more so with the guys...the girls is more mental). This is not to say that every sorority hazes at all, but I remember when we came home for the summer everyone was trading stories about pledging, what they had to do, etc. I think that hazing is on its way out, but there still needs to be a ton of work done if we think that it is going to go away.
This girl's view/ questions are not uncommon for younger people who ask me about sororities and I think that it is unfair to judge her for asking such a question. All we can do is educate her on how a sorority should be run.

Just to clarify, if you look at the post she wasn't asking about ritual. That would obviously have been extremely inappropriate for Greek Chat-I think everyone would agree. The distinction between the starter of this thread and many people on this board is that this girl is not an intitiated member of any organization and was wondering what to expect, in general, from the pledge process.

I don't think anyone is confused about your response, but it seems very clear that you have judgments about her which are based on her ONE post on a message board. My point was that I'm glad I didn't cross paths with you when I was a rushee because I probably would have asked the same type of question and apparently would have been judged for my ignorance. All I knew when I rushed were the rumors about Greek life which included hazing stories. I think we should all be careful about jumping all over anyone on this website because all it does is contribute to another rumor-the one of Greeks being elitist and snobby.

>She made it clear she didn't research her options. Going to any GLO's >website would've cleared up any confusion about hazing

No, it would not have. It would have cleared up that the national organization forbids hazing and that the university has a "zero tolerance" policy regarding it, etc. Would it confirm that she won't get hazed at a given chapter of that sorority? Unfortunately, no...not in any national organization.

>She's asking for ritual information on a public website. I, for one, find this insulting.

She's a PNM, and she may not know what you consider appropriate to ask about. She may assume that members will simply say whatever they are allowed to say and hold back whatever is private -- which is the same assumption I make. Why jump to the conclusion that she wants to know privileged information? Couldn't the answer to her question be, "Expect a warm welcome, a busy schedule, and a beautiful ceremony at the end"?

>She's being flippant about something I, for one, take very seriously.

To me, a flippant tone is not obvious from her post. It strikes me as an anxious tone, with a nervous laugh. Unless it is crystal clear that someone is deliberately trying to offend, I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and inquire a little more. Even if it then turns out that she is being flippant, maybe she could be encouraged to take things more seriously via a gentle explanation of how much sisterhood can mean.

Ivy

OK, I can be really cynical and suspicious, but every time I read a post like that by a newbie (with no offense to our friend Newbie), I just wonder what they are trying to get us to say on a public forum.

I'm sure that I'm wrong and that this person isn't a troll. Right?

jax, you know i love ya girl, but you totally need to relax on this one. first of all hazing does still happen. i can tell you with 100% fact that the other 3 NPC chapters on my campus haze (at least thru 1999, but it is possible that it still goes on). the ifc glos haze as well (somewhere on this forum is the notice about the dtd boys who were kicked off campus last year. 2 years ago, another house was kicked off for hazing too- and they DOCUMENTED IT ON VIDEO.) i know we all want to live in a world that believes that hazing doesn't happen anywhere, but it does. i think that pinkship IS doing her research and asking what she should do if she encounters it!

there are plenty of things that "aren't" supposed to happen bc there are laws or statements against them...underaged drinking, driving while under the influence, using drugs, murder....but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen bc on some law book or on some website it says that it is not condoned.

I dunno. She specifically asked what she could expect at initation. The post, to me, smacked of trying to get information.

If she has a legitimate right to the information -- i.e. she's really just a poor, confused, pnm -- she has legitimate access to the information. All she needs to do, Ivy, is go directly to the members of the org. she's trying to become a member of and make her stance clear.

If she *doesn't* have a legitimate right to the information, then she's trying to get posts that don't belong on GC.

Either way. I think her post was inappropriate and, since her post is all I have to judge her on (Otter, wasn't that you jumping all over me for one post?) I stand by my earlier statements that she isn't the kind of girl I'd want in MY sisterhood.