Btw I enjoy everyones opinion and think its fun.

Since when does the fact that an organization no longer exists mean that nothing can be known about it?

This argument is ridiculous on many levels, not the least of which is that it doesn't matter who was first. If that's what a member is stuck on, then they're not doing enough to advance their fraternity or community at all.

I also think this "debate" is far too politically charged to ever have a resolution. It deals with the definition of Latino, the definition of Latin-American, the construction of whiteness in this country, and who is "real."

If Latino and Latin-American are synonymous to you, then Phi Iota Alpha will count. Obviously, it counts to them. For whatever reason, people in Lambda Theta Phi have a different notion of Latino-ness, since on their website they assert to be first. If you ascribe to that reasoning, then LTPhi will be first.

Who really cares? Do some service.

How is it that you can speak for all LGLOs now?

Your posts are disappointing. You can uplift your organization through doing actual WORK instead of bashing another. Or did that concept not reach you during your process?

I have and continue to do various community services to uplift latino's and other minorities in the community. You will never know the process my brotherhood has so you cannot make assumptions on that level. This is a forum of greek chat and if you dont like you may choose to disregard the posts. Unless you have something to add to this thread keep it moving. Lambda Theta Phi breaking molds and barriers so your organization can exist since 1975.

FACT: The National Board of Lambda Theta Phi has on numerous occasion, since 1998, invited Phi Iota Alpha to a meeting with an independent mediator to present Documentation (original certificate of formation, original constitution, etc...) to validate there claim as to have roots and lineage to the aforementioned fraternal organizations. To this date Phi Iota Alpha has yet to agree or present any factual documentation.
I feel it is still a relevant issue because of the public confusion it causes not only to other greeks but to prospective interests. It may not be a issue for you because your organization does not have to deal with this fraudulent claim from another organization. Respect the issue and thank God for Lambda Theta Phi because without us there would be no you or the LGLO movement that there is today.

Btw not for nothing but Gamma Xi Phi you wouldn't understand.

Without you there's be no us, eh?

I'm sure that our founders hopped on Wikipedia when they were creating our organizations and modeled themselves after Lambdas.

You are trying way too hard and it's making you look pressed.

Mystic Cat, instead of wikipedia, where in the system of higher learning and research is not a credible or accepted reference, where is the documentation for any claims?? I am an accountant and when you do an audit there must be documentation for every claim. That will close this issue. Lambda Theta Phi has ORIGINAL documents of formation, etc...

Knight Shadow as ODPhi grows we smile like a proud father that sees his son make it. "En La Union Esta La Fuerza"

Gamma Xi Phi dont you have band camp or a recital or something...this is for real Latino Greeks.

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You really are not helping your credibility, which isn't a good thing as you didn't have much to begin with.

Step away from the keyboard and grow up.