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That sounds about right, Ladygreek. Plus I believe that he may be a bit delusional. Whatever the case, it's still a very sad one.

On another note, this morning's news said that since the interview, sales of his "Thriller" album have increased by like 400%. Michael is still getting paid!!!

Yep I checked those bleached roots as well. The bleach/hair coloring could be the reason for the kinks because bringing hair up to the blonde level from brown can change the density and structure of the hair especially, with a young child who's hair isn't strong enough to withstand the chemicals.

If you don't love yourself, how can you love all these children?

I believe Joe has given all his children a sense of insecurity. Michael has had all these plastic surgeries to get away from the "old big nose, pimple face Michael." I don't see why he thought of himself as ugly, but I also don't/didn't have Joe Jackson as a father either. If plastic surgery Michael doesn't have to look at the "old big nose pimple face" Michael in the mirror, he doesn't have to relate or face what happened and how he was treated during that time in his life. I think surgery is an attempt to forget the past. His quest for perfection went to the extreme and is now a complete disaster.

Still convinced, he's mentally disturbed. And the parents need to be shot for allowing their children to be in Michael's bed, cancer patient or not.

His story makes me shake my head in disbelief. He is truly living in his own delusional world.

Back in the day, he was the man.

Amen!

It was reported last night that one of the brothers denies the claims that Joe "tore their azzes up". I wonder which one was that? Randy perhaps?

If Janet had crap done to her, his azz had crap done to him too. What?Did Joe go on a sabbatical from whooping butt? :rolleyes: Oh, maybe that was the time when Joe was stepping out on Kate.
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I think it was Jermaine

Poor Mike
 

I think that MJ is trying to re-create the childhood that he did not have and I truly feel sorry for him. But he is a man now whether he want's to accept it or not, he IS NOT Peter Pan.

I can understand him not wanting his children to undergo public scrutiny, but he is in a sense doing the same thing to them that was done to him. He is not allowing them to have a normal childhood (no mother, no school, no friends,etc). He said that growing up he wished that he could just wear a mask, is this why he makes his children wear one at all times? That cannot be healthy for a child growing up. I know that he loves children, but he has to think that they are going to be adults one day too and he needs to start preparing them for that now just like a normal parent. I think he just sees them as objects of affection and little playmates right now.

And the whole "I am still changing" comment. Changing into what exactly. I know people with Vitiligo (sp?). Never have I seen anyone turn completely white. And if they do conceal the affected skin they use something in their own natural skin tone. He has more than enough money to make sure the condition does not go that far. And face it Mike, you have had more than 2 nose jobs :rolleyes: .

All in all I hope that he can find the love that he needs in himself. I think we should all pray for him.

bleaching a child's hair:rolleyes: :rolleyes: just because he isn't satisfied with the way it looks. Pulleaze. His kids will grow up to hate him like he dislikes his father. Oh sure he says...he still loves Joe but I don't think so.

It was such a laugh when he climbed up in the tree. He likes climbing trees instead of "knocking boots"...:D :D instead of being intimate.

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Hello all, it has been a while!!! I agree with your points except for the suicide part. I think the only way that might happen is if perhaps if/when his children do something to disappoint him. I think Bashir really putting a more sensationalist spin on behavior that is nothing new. What was the most sad was how he was so emotionally about his childhood. It takes a lot of guts to talk about something so painful. It was sad to see how he really hasn't worked through all of that. What was comforting to know was that he has forgiven his father and moved forward. That speaks volumes to me because too many of us have not reached that point in our lives.

I feel that Michael should just stop giving interviews. No one is going to forget him. He should follow Barbra Steisand's lead for example and do a big concert every decade or so and put out an album every decade or so. He is talented and based upon the response by the crowds during the interview, he is still loved by so many people.

I love Michael, white Michael or black Michael, he is simply the greatest!!

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As a Qualified Mental Health Professional, I would say (based on other people's comments because I did not see the interview), that due to his response to the subject, Michael OBVIOUSLY has not even BEGUN to address his issues. You see, the way that therapy works is that 9 times out of 10 it (therapy) won't "cure" you or make feelings go away, BUT therapy is a tool which helps people to be able to COPE better with their issues. Micheal Jackson's coping skills are in NO WAY "normal". And this just goes to show that parents have an ENORMOUS effect on their children's lives.


Now about THIS comment.... Darling1, what in the world makes you think that Michael "has FORGIVEN his father and MOVED FORWARD"? It's IMPOSSIBLE for him to have done this because, to ME, he wouldn't be demonstrating these types of behaviors AND, as far as the "moving forward" component goes, this 44-YEAR-OLD man is STUCK in his CHILDHOOD. Now HOW in the world is THAT "moving forward"?

In essence, in my opinion, Michael Jackson has some SERIOUS Mental Health issues which COULD potentially be dangerous. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that he's been hallucinating or hearing voices. Joe Jackson REALLY messed this man up and it's truly, truly sad.

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YES YES YES. GREAT post!!

:rolleyes: Nope, I'm not buying the sad story. I feel sorry for his childhood, I feel bad for the abuse and the torture he obviuosly had to endure. However because he is a "multi-platinum, once-in-a-lifetime talented musicican and entertainer" who has impacted not only music but worthy causes, DOES NOT MEAN he can live in a delusional world of make believe and justify it based on things that happened over 30 years ago. This may be a poor example but do you know how many people grow up to murder and rob who had far more dramatic childhoods than Mike. As a society we make no excuses for them, in fact we often sentence them to long jail terms and even death. Can the fact that Mike was abused and is "delusional" be a valid reason or excuse for his behavior. This man truly saw nothing wrong with taking a baby and a placenta home. He needs mental help, there is no doubt in my mind that all these irrational decisions are a result of a warped mental status.

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NOTE: MY CAPS DO NOT DENOTE ME YELLING, I AM JUST NOT SURE HOW TO CHANGE THE FONTS :).

OK, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THERAPY AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, I FEEL THAT IN SOME WAY HE HAS BEGUN TO ADDRESS HIS ISSUES. I FEEL THAT IT DOES TAKE ALOT TO SAY THAT YOU FORGIVE SOMEONE. IT HAS TAKEN ME 25 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO VERBALIZE THOSE EXACT SENTIMENTS RELATIVE TO MY ISSUES. TO ME THAT IS A STEP FORWARD. DO I BELIEVE HE HAS MANY MORE STEPS TO TAKE, GOD YES. BUT I STILL THINK THAT HE HAS FOUND SOME WAY TO LIVE A LIFE THAT IS THE MOST POSITIVE FOR HIM. NOW IT ISN'T THE BEST NOT THE IDEAL. THE IDEAL IN MY EYES WOULD BE FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO LIVE COMFORTABLY IN THIS WORLD WITH ALL OF HIS EXPERIENCES, BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT HIS ISSUES WITHOUT GETTING SO EMOTIONAL AND SAD. I THINK THE FACT THAT HE CAN TALK ABOUT HIS STUFF SPEAKS VOLUMES BECAUSE I SPENT YEARS NOT BEING ABLE TO FULLY DISCUSS THE THINGS THAT I WENT THROUGH. AS A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, YOU WILL SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF THE EXPERTISE YOU HAVE. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED SOME OF THE THINGS MICHAEL HAS LIVED, I COME FROM A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS. I HOPE THAT THIS HELPS YOU TO UNDERSTAND MY POINT A BIT CLEARER. IF NOT, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.

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I clearly understand what you're saying...and hey, everyone has "stuff". What I'M saying is that the ability to FORGIVE someone goes far deeper than just being able to SAY it. Just think about it. We have a tendency to SAY with ease that we forgive someone for something, yet, in many situations, it continues to have a negative effect on our lives (one way or another). Heck, even JANET JACKSON herself said that she has to learn how to love/like herself (and we don't see her even HALF as messed up as Michael). Remember it's not so much HOW MUCH someone talks about his/her issues, it's about WHAT he/she says and feels and his/her DESIRE and ABILITY to learn how to cope in EFFECTIVE ways. THIS is what therapy helps you do.

Now it IS true that, as a Mental Health therapist, my job is to be OBJECTIVE and, in many cases, play the "devil's advocate". BUT I want you to know that I'm HUMAN first. And you'll be surprised to learn that over 50 percent of social workers and counselors are people who HAVE or have gone through major issues much like their clients (and Michael Jackson). I'M NO EXCEPTION! IF only you knew even HALF of what MY childhood was like....

So having said that, I DO indeed UNDERSTAND your "thought process". HOWEVER, I'm a REALIST. And I truly believe that THERAPY IS ABOUT BEING "TRUE TO THY SELF". It has nothing to do with what I think about YOU, it's about what YOU think about you and what YOU want to do about it. My question is, what is Michael Jackson doing about his issues? Just look at how he's allowing them to govern his life.

Just think about this. Yes, I empathize with his having to deal with an abusive father (I PERSONALLY know first-hand what this is like) and any other stuff that he's gone through. But it's WAAAYYY past the point for Michael Jackson to deal with those things so that he CAN "move forward". I ALWAYS tell my clients that it's one thing to not seek help if you just don't know. One can't be held accountable for what he/she does not know. But it's a totally different story when you DO know and you do NOTHING about it. At this point, although Michael is an adult and lives in his own home, I would say that Joe Jackson is STILL in control...because MICHEAL is allowing it to be.

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It is definitely easier to say, "I forgive you" than to actually go through the process. It is obvious that Joe Jackson still has a hold on Michael. It is a shame what abuse, physical and/or psychological can do to someone.

I think both you and I can write a very thick novel on our life stories. I am convinced that there was something in the water during the '70's. I tell ya' thank God for his grace. Who know where I would be!!!!

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I just watched the special on tape and all I have to say is WOW. I think he
means well...but he is QUITE disturbed. I just wished that they could've shown
more of the documentary, I could tell it was very edited (more than usual), I don't know what to
believe and what not (about the doc the didn't show).

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You, I, and MILLIONS of others could probably relate and write a book about our dysfunctional families and many issues in our lives. That's the truth.

I DO thank God for His grace and mercy. And I also thank Him for saving me and filling me with the Holy Ghost. It's the ANOINTING that makes the difference.

Although I am a professional counselor and there's the correct professional "jargon", books, and articles that are used to "diagnose" and advise people, I WILL say, plain and simple, that Michael Jackson needs JESUS. I KNOW that if it were not for Jesus in MY life, I myself would probably be just as bad (or even worse) than Michael. All I can do is pray for him.

TO GOD BE AAALLLLL OF THE GLORY!!!!!!