I can't resist.

*Bounty hunter
*Sigfried & Roy stunt double
*Fact checker for Attorney Edgar Snyder (the PA people will get this)

ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!!!

EDGAR SNYDER!!! He's still around? Man, I miss the 'Burgh and its strange and wonderful people http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

ROFLMBO!!

Don't forget these:

*Crash test dummy
*Ultimate toe fungus tester for Dr. Scholls
*Model for "Hairy Back Women's Digest"
*Economics teacher w/ emphasis in personal finance and budgeting ( http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif)

well, narahat, if you ain't in then don't condemn! While I realize it is great to have a Greek Name and Badge, and do great things for the betterment of mankind, so do the Greek Social Orgs.
My International through our Natioal food Drive donate Tons of food to the needy!
My Chapter alone donated over 7000 lbs of food! We also have 2 other charity fund drives for the needy! In the last 2 yrs, we donated 3600 to Ron Mac house of Joplin Mo!
Do Not stand On Your Box and tell me the Greek Orgs do not do anything!
I did my time pushing a wheel chair around so a young lady could be a member of my college.! There was some other things we did to do service for the school! Just because you are in Wash, dc, dont mean s--t. I have been there and they are all blood suckers! It is a business not a vocation!
i would appreciate if you do not show disrespect for the people that do a lot of hard workand put in a lot of hard time!

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Tom Earp LX Z#1
Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

I'm still trying to figure out where you feel I disrespected the social fraternities and sororities? Please quote earlier in the thread where you feel that I did so.

Most of the chapters of Social Fraternities and Sororities do community service these days, and a good number of the Nationals have a specific philanthropy. I'd like to see the Social Greek system expand in this country.

My fraternity (alpha phi omega) has had charters pulled for hazing, just as many of the social fraternities and sororities do. My purpose in this thread was to try to get a clue on the types of hazing incidences that would lead to a sorority charter's being pulled since the number of examples in stophazing.org and in Nuwer's work is fairly small.

The original statement in the thread was designed to contrast the incidents that do occur rather that an attempt to imply that this happens in large numbers. If that is the way that you read it, my only comment is that is not the way it was intended. I'm not saying the NPHC fraternities don't drink, just that it doesn't lead to the public incidents that it has in a few NIC chapters, conversely, I have never seen an NIC charter pulled for the type of pure physical abuse that you see in the hazing incidents for the NPHC Fraternities.




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Naraht
Alpha Phi Omega Alumni Volunteer

Uh, what about the pledge who got shot in the "package" with the BB gun? If that isn't pure physical abuse I don't know what is!

Hadn't heard about that one. Probably not what was intended. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Its physical abuse, but not "pure" physical abuse. Most of the "pure" physical abuse that is seen for the cases with NPHC greeks is "human powered"...

Supposedly they were dry firing the gun at the pledges that were in a line in front of the Actives . . .

Dry firing at their faces and eyes also and then something wierd happened and the gun was mysteriously loaded and bang, got the poor pledge right in the penis . . .

That has got to suck . . .

But great party story if the pledge recovers full functioning.+-

Narhat- When you get shot in the balls let me know if it wasn't the pure form of physical abuse. Accidents sometimes aren't accidents- sometimes things are easily covered up. It sounds like you aren't in a fraternity- or maybe I misunderstood one of your ealier posts. SO until you actually experience hazing to the fullest don't tell us that you condone it!

Agreed. My guess on that one is that the National Fraternity took action more than the school. I don't know what the most you could legally prosecute the chapter on beyond hazing and assault (maybe malicious wounding?). The other problem with taking legal action is that it fails the "giggle test". If the prosecutor has a tough time keeping a straight face in court, conviction gets tough.




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Naraht
Alpha Phi Omega Alumni Volunteer

I do not condone hazing. My rule of thumb though is that if you would continue doing it if the University President, the National President of the Fraternity (or Sorority) and the editor of the school newspaper (who has a camera) show up, then it isn't hazing. And in that respect, I guess that I do have a sliding scale because the schools and the fraternities have changed. When my parents got to college, freshman men were required by the schools to wear beanies, and these days, for any group to require that would probably be viewed as hazing. I occasionally have problems with some of the things banned by FIPG, but to reference another thread, I think that N2's chapter probably should be nailed for hazing.

By "pure" physical abuse, I meant "human powered". Though there is crossover between the BB-gun and the NPHC hazing incident with the brothers trying to make the pledges skin darker with an Iron.

I am in a service fraternity (Alpha Phi Omega). Our chapters do have a pledging program (six to ten weeks) and are not housed. Members of Social Greeks and non-members are equally welcome. Our fraternity has had charters revoked due to hazing. I pledged in Fall of 1986, graduated in Fall of 1990 and have been on alumni staff in the Washington DC metropolitan area for the last 10 years.

I'll be happy to answer any other questions

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Naraht
Alpha Phi Omega Alumni Volunteer

I'm getting ill because of the number of chapters losing their charters. Is anybody listening out there?

Boston Globe
December 15, 2001

Campus hazing reportedly increasing - in sororities

By David Abel, Globe Staff, 12/15/2001

At Northeastern University, officials suspended a sorority this month
after pledges said they weren't allowed to sleep until they finished
sorting candy with their noses. At the University of Southern Maine,
administrators booted out a sorority chapter this week after pledges were
blindfolded and left alone in the woods.

And over the past semester, similar allegations of hazing have cropped up
at sororities on campuses from the University of Michigan to the University
of Colorado.

While fraternities have long made headlines for hazing, observers say a
growing number of sororities are now playing the dangerous game of mentally
and physically abusing pledges.

''There's no question that hazing in sororities is increasing in frequency
as well as severity,'' said Michael V.W. Gordon, who served for most of the
past decade as executive director of the National Pan-Hellenic Council, a
consortium of fraternities and sororities.

There are no uniform federal reports of hazing on college campuses, but
observers say hazing may be as prevalent in sororities as in fraternities.

The main difference, they say, is that fraternity hazing is often more
physical and violent, and thus more frequently captures headlines.

Since 1873, there have been 64 fraternity hazing deaths and only two
sorority deaths, said Hank Nuwer, author of ''Broken Pledges: The Deadly
Rite of Hazing,'' who has studied the Greek system for decades. But
sorority hazing, he says, does its own damage.

Hazing in sororities is usually more psychological, says Nuwer - such as
insulting pledges, making them address sisters of the sorority with special
names, and banning them from wearing makeup. Though not physically harmful,
these rituals have a bad record of leading to eating disorders such as
bulimia and anorexia.

At the University of Southern Maine, administrators were worried about both
the psychological and physical health of students when they shuttered Sigma
Iota Sigma this week. After a review, they found the sorority made pledges
dress in skimpy clothing and order adult movies at a local video store.
Disgruntled pledges also charged that the sisters forced pledges to ingest
a combination of beer, pickles, hot peppers, and the soft drink Moxie, and
that they were abandoned in the woods for a half-hour.

''We have usually expected this kind of behavior only from fraternities,''
said Craig Hutchinson, the university's vice president for student
development. ''We now know we have to be proactive about stopping hazing in
sororities.''

At Northeastern, after two pledges dropped out and complained late last
month of abuse at Northeastern's chapter of Alpha Epsilon Phi, campus
officials decided to suspend the sorority while the university investigates
the allegations.

According to officials monitoring the case, the pledges had to mark their
bellies for a week to prove they hadn't showered. When not separating candy
with their noses, they had to complete complex jigsaw puzzles before
sisters allowed them to sleep. Neither students nor the sorority's campus
adviser would comment on the allegations.

''This is the first time we've had an allegation at a sorority at this
level,'' said Michael Lopez, assistant director of student activities for
Greek life, who oversees about 500 students who belong to the campus's nine
sororities and 14 chapters. ''But we have strict guidelines against hazing.
If the allegations are true, appropriate action will be taken.''

Other recent charges of hazing against sororities surfaced this past
semester after two pledges at the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority at the
University of Colorado in Boulder were hospitalized for alcohol poisoning,
and the University of Michigan suspended the Delta Delta Delta sorority
after two pledges were drugged and raped at a fraternity party.

Other examples include charges that in 1997, Kappa Kappa Gamma at DePauw
University in Indiana used cigarettes to brand pledges and the Alpha Chi
Omega sorority in 1988 used a metal stamp to brand the letters of the
chapter on pledges at the University of Maine in Orono.

The spread of hazing to sororities - which enjoy a longstanding reputation
as the civilized counterparts to frats - has given pause to some longtime
advocates of Greek culture.

''It has been enough to make me waver about whether it's a good idea for
anyone to join the Greek system anymore,'' said Gordon, of the Pan-Hellenic
Council. ''There's just too much psychological harm, mental stress, and
academic failure related to it now.''

For Nuwer, the Greek system historian, the apparent uptick in sorority
hazing may have more to do with colleges cracking down and students fessing
up.

''Even though hazing in sororities may be on the rise, the numbers of cases
that become public have a lot to do with more reporting and better
education,'' he said.

National officials of Alpha Epsilon Phi said they were surprised by the
allegations against the Northeastern chapter, but they said if they are
true, the 11-year-old sorority could lose its charter.

''Hazing is being told to do anything that a pledge normally wouldn't do,''
said Bonnie Wunsch, the national executive director of Alpha Epsilon Phi.
''We don't teach that, we don't accept that - and we won't tolerate it.''

Back to the orginal question ....
 

To give insight to naraht's orginal question ...

You probably don't hear about as many sorority closures due to the confidentiality-like agreements between university adminitrators and a NPC HQ in little or no PR/press, ESPECIALLY if there is an issue of hazing.

In those cases, there may be legal cases to be filed and neither group wants to set themselves up for being named. As well, the university may want the NPC group to deal with it internally, and if they are satisified with the outcome, won't push their own sanctions etc.

Low numbers - if its a matter that a chapter has low numbers and gets closed, any announcement is usually to the local campus paper. The NPC group is usually invited to re-colonize in 4-5 years, so there is little PR so to have the new chapter have a fresh start. (ie. Alpha Gamma Delta regretablly closed it's Alpha chapter at Syracuse earlier this month with intentions of coming back in a few years - announcement was made in the Daily Orange by the administration)

This is has been my experince in 'watching' Greek news and dealing with chapters in similar situations. Certainly an interesting 'phenonmenon' - something to keep checking ....

:rolleyes:
My friend told me that on her campus, Utica College, that in the Fall of 99 a couple fo sororities had been place on probation. Phi Sigma Sigma for having bar night and using their letters in ads and while wearing them at the bar. Sigma Gamma Rho for hazing of pledges. Both soroities don't particapte in anything that the rest of the greek life on campus don't do themselves. Every greek organization on that campus hazes their pledges and go to bars with their letters.