Exactly. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I still believe that the push by many of the colleges mentioned to eliminate Greeks has little, if not nothing, to do with hazing or drinking - it's the perception by administrators and faculty that Greeks are selective, snobby, white male organizations that don't fit into happy sunny PC land.

Of course, if these same professors/adminstrators denied tenure to or censured a professor with conservative views, that's okelly dokelly doo. :rolleyes:

what i dont think the people who are trying to do away with greeks understand is how much we all do for the community. if my sorority didn't exist on this campus so much less w ould be done for the community. we do at least one event a week, and we are mandated to do 7 a semester. we do food and clothing drives, volunteer at the house of hope and other shelters, raise money for aids, cancer, MS, diabetes, and other research groups, donate time to the blood drives, actively read to children, and even give seminars on domestic violence... we do alot. Lowell would suffer without us.

i think the people who hate GLOs should think of that before they try to get rid of us ...

I have to agree with KappaKittyKat & sugar and spice.

Not all GLO's nowadays pay much attention to their ideals, and not all Greeks systems are the same.

I don't think it is fair that the entire Greek system at Alfred is being erradicated because of the acts of a few chapters. I think even if the system is dismissed, all the organizations will probably operate "underground".

Just wondering because I'm not sure how this works, but if a school, like Alfred for example, were to get rid of the entire greek system, what would the Headquarters of the GLO's do? Do the chapters keep their charter if they do decide to continue operating "underground"? Is their charter void?

There are quite a few groups here who were kicked off. Now they just have different letters and are even worse. No govering/advisory bodies at all.

AMEN to that!! We have fraternities on our campus that consistently haze, but think it's ok, since they do service. One does not cancel out the other.

As a Kent State Alumna, I can tell you that they relish articles such as this and I am NOT suprised to see it in the Stater. The Stater was probably our biggest enemy when I was an undergrad and I do not think it has changed.

As to the SAEs, they have lost their charter. This was about their 3rd suspension in a short period of time, and their national finally just eliminated the problem. As close as I was to them and as many good friends as I had there, I can honestly say they really had this coming for a long time.

Kent State is an example of a campus that has done very little to change its real image and personality over the last 30 years or so. It is still clinging to its super-liberal May 4, 1970 ideals, perhaps as a way of alleviating a guilty conscience for allowing four students to be shot protesting the government and war. At times, being at Kent State was like being in a time warp.

I love Kent State and I will never regret going there. The greek system (during my time there) was a very small, very tight-knit pocket of mainly conservative, upwardly-mobile students who had a different vision for the future. Things are a little shakier now but I think that the system will survive.

With regard to inter/national GLO's, it would be a decision up to the GLO -- the laws of some GLO's might call for automatic withdrawal of the charter if sheltering institution recognition is withdrawn, while for other GLO's there would be some discretion as to whether to allow the chapter to continue without university recognition.

As for the locals, I assume they could decide for themselves whether to continue without recognition or even sub rosa.

What it boils down to is accountability. Universities don't care to be hit up with suits should injury or death occur due to student actions.

I believe that accountability is why we're seeing growth of the Greek system in many places. In the past few years, several colleges with locals--such as mine--have told the locals to either nationalize or leave. The colleges know that in this day and age, nationals will likely be forcing their chapters to shape up or leave. Our locals weren't accountable to anyone and pretty much did as they pleased.